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[masta.g.86]

Originally Posted by talex7

Well, in my position, which card would you choose between these two:

Newegg.ca - SPARKLE SX96GT2048D2-HP GeForce 9600 GT 2GB 256-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards

Newegg.ca - SPARKLE SFPX98GT512D3 GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards

Does the fact that one is 9800 outweigh the fact the other is 2GB VRAM? While I am getting this card to help in my Wii emulation, I would like it to perform very well on other demanding PC games.

2GB of VRAM on the 9600GT is pretty much pointless as running a game that requires that much texture memory would be most likely slowed down by the 9600GT's GPU core anyway. 2GB would only speed up a few obscure PC games out there. I'm sure GTA4 would benefit, but seeing your CPU makes me recommend against doing that anyway.

More realistically, you need a new system. You can upgrade a few other bits and pieces in your system, but you will only be able to upgrade so far until you're just wasting money.

The video card upgrade is OK because you can carry that over into a new system. You do need a CPU upgrade, but in order to make a worthwhile CPU upgrade, you need to upgrade your motherboard.

Originally Posted by ARC@NO

correct me if I'm wrong but the OP didn't stated what PSU he have, and his original card options was lowend models that doesn't have PCI-E connector...

careful if you pickup that 9800GT, you'll need a 450W? descent PSU with 28Amps? (didn't remember exactly) to keep your system stable, also don't expect too much improvement 'cause you have a rather weak CPU to emulate Dolphin/PCSX2.

If you plan to upgrade your VGA for more purposes like PC gaming a 9800GT will be a huge boost over your IGP, but for emulation will not be so huge.

For emulation a CPU upgrade will be better, but I recommend you to start with the VGA anyway, It's a more wise desicion overall.

PD: Have you think of getting a HD4670???, performs a little less than a 9800GT but It doesn't use PCI-E connector, or a HD4770/HD4830, performs almost equal to a 9800GTX.

ATi options that maybe save you a couple of bucks and delivers GREAT performance.

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Ah, good point. I forgot about power supply issues since I always buy a future-proof PS that can handle an additional 250 or more watts (just in case of future upgrades).

It'd be a good idea to take a look at your PS by opening your PC case and finding out how many amps are provided under your +12V rail(s). There may be more than one rail, so post the number of rails and the amperage of the rails.

I do disagree with using any ATI card though. If emulation is a big deal or if you play OpenGL PC games, I'd stay away from ATI. I left the ATI camp because of their (still) unresolved OpenGL issues. Until they get them fixed I'll be sticking with nVidia. If you don't play too many OpenGL games and emulation isn't that big of a deal, then yes, go with ATI. Their cards are great and otherwise I'd buy them.

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[talex7]

Originally Posted by masta.g.86

Ah, good point. I forgot about power supply issues since I always buy a future-proof PS that can handle an additional 250 or more watts (just in case of future upgrades).

It'd be a good idea to take a look at your PS by opening your PC case and finding out how many amps are provided under your +12V rail(s). There may be more than one rail, so post the number of rails and the amperage of the rails.

Sorry but I'm an extreme newb when it comes to these things...what is a rail? As far as amperage, all it says on the PSU is:

AC INPUT(47-63Hz): 100-127V/6A 200-240V/4A

DC OUTPUT: +5V/25A +3.3V/18A +5VSB/2A +12/14A -12/0.8A

+5V and +3.3V shall not exceed 165W
+5V and +12V shall not exceed 216W
MAX OUTPUT POWER: 250W

[masta.g.86]

Your current power supply won't handle the 9800GT. Even going with one of the suggested ATI cards will likely introduce unwanted system instabilities. You'll need to upgrade your PS as well.

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[talex7]

Originally Posted by masta.g.86

Your current power supply won't handle the 9800GT. Even going with one of the suggested ATI cards will likely introduce unwanted system instabilities. You'll need to upgrade your PS as well.

Any ideas on the cheapest one I can get to do the trick?

[ARC@NO]

Originally Posted by talex7

Any ideas on the cheapest one I can get to do the trick?

look for a "cheap" one, but please DON'T buy a crappy one 'cause the PSU is the MOST IMPORTANT component of your PC.

you can choose one from Corsair, Thermaltake, BFG, Topower, Seasonic, Cooler Master, Antec, OCZ, PC Power & Cooling, etc.

500/550W should be enough, also having 30A+ on the 12V+ rail, not too important if it have a single or dual rail.

It's better if you invest for a better PSU rather than a VGA.

Also your current PSU could cause inestability issues or even could fry your HW if you'll overload it.

EDIT: Its a very good idea that you change that PSU of yours, 250W is BELOW the requ. of your actual HW (without card), and I'm almost sure that your PSU is genric, so is almost a MUST to make an upgrade or I'm sure you'll be to experience inestability issues in the future like unexpected hangs or shutdowns.

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[talex7]

Originally Posted by ARC@NO

look for a "cheap" one, but please DON'T buy a crappy one 'cause the PSU is the MOST IMPORTANT component of your PC.

you can choose one from Corsair, Thermaltake, BFG, Topower, Seasonic, Cooler Master, Antec, OCZ, PC Power & Cooling, etc.

500/550W should be enough, also having 30A+ on the 12V+ rail, not too important if it have a single or dual rail.

It's better if you invest for a better PSU rather than a VGA.

Also your current PSU could cause inestability issues or even could fry your HW if you'll overload it.

EDIT: Its a very good idea that you change that PSU of yours, 250W is BELOW the requ. of your actual HW (without card), and I'm almost sure that your PSU is genric, so is almost a MUST to make an upgrade or I'm sure you'll be to experience inestability issues in the future like unexpected hangs or shutdowns.

Would one of these be ok for my computer?
Newegg.ca - Antec earthwatts EA500 500W Continuous Power ATX12V v2.0 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Power Supplies
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16817139008

And its funny you mention that because my computer used to very often freeze or shut down, or go to blue screen of death. I hope this fixes some problems (along with the much needed computer cleaning)

BTW, does anybody have any good resources on the net for learning more about computer hardware and putting together computers? This is all really interesting stuff.

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That should do the trick.

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Originally Posted by talex7

Would one of these be ok for my computer?
Newegg.ca - Antec earthwatts EA500 500W Continuous Power ATX12V v2.0 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Power Supplies
Newegg.ca - CORSAIR CMPSU-400CX 400W ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS Certified Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Power Supplies

And its funny you mention that because my computer used to very often freeze or shut down, or go to blue screen of death. I hope this fixes some problems (along with the much needed computer cleaning)

BTW, does anybody have any good resources on the net for learning more about computer hardware and putting together computers? This is all really interesting stuff.

go with the Corsair one, is less powerful but will fill your actual requ. and will handle a 9800GT without probs, not future-proof (talking about if you'll planning to SLI/Crossfire), but It's cheaper than the Antec one and IT'S A CORSAIR!!.

Now you can throw at it a 9800GT without problems.

You can visit techPowerUp! - The latest in hardware and gaming , they have a VERY nice forum full of useful guides and a bunch of guys that will help you out.

I'm registered there under CH@NO nickname, hope to see you there.

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[talex7]

Originally Posted by ARC@NO

go with the Corsair one, is less powerful but will fill your actual requ. and will handle a 9800GT without probs, not future-proof (talking about if you'll planning to SLI/Crossfire), but It's cheaper than the Antec one and IT'S A CORSAIR!!.

Now you can throw at it a 9800GT without problems.

You can visit techPowerUp! - The latest in hardware and gaming , they have a VERY nice forum full of useful guides and a bunch of guys that will help you out.

I'm registered there under CH@NO nickname, hope to see you there.

Yeah, only choice there now is Corsair since the Antec just lost its free shipping. So are you sure 400W is enough for my computer? I found this PSU at Tigerdirect and it is about the same price:

Coolmax 500-Watt Modular Power Supply - PCI-E, 120mm Fan CU-500B in Canada at TigerDirect.ca

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Heh, another proof that Dolphin depends more on GPU, NOT CPU !!

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Well, Dolphin does a lot more on the CPU compared to the GPU Pixel Shading mainly of texture caching / decoding, vertex loaders, and the parts of the Wii-GPU emulated on the CPU.

[ARC@NO]

Originally Posted by talex7

Yeah, only choice there now is Corsair since the Antec just lost its free shipping. So are you sure 400W is enough for my computer? I found this PSU at Tigerdirect and it is about the same price:

Coolmax 500-Watt Modular Power Supply - PCI-E, 120mm Fan CU-500B in Canada at TigerDirect.ca

That PSU seems a nice one, but I don't know Coolmax at all, the 12V+ rail seems pretty strong, also the conectors and it's modular....but I'm not sure about the performance.

Google and look a review of it and see if It's good, otherwise the Corsair is the right choice, even if only can deliver 400W It easily outperform any other generic/oem psu's.

and YES, that Corsair psu should handle your current system + vid. card (9800GT, even a GTS250/HD4850).

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[talex7]

Originally Posted by ARC@NO

That PSU seems a nice one, but I don't know Coolmax at all, the 12V+ rail seems pretty strong, also the conectors and it's modular....but I'm not sure about the performance.

Google and look a review of it and see if It's good, otherwise the Corsair is the right choice, even if only can deliver 400W It easily outperform any other generic/oem psu's.

and YES, that Corsair psu should handle your current system + vid. card (9800GT, even a GTS250/HD4850).

Corsair it is then. I spotted this deal, don't know how long it will last but the price is reduced $70. Is this a better card than the 9800 GTX+, or should I stay away from it? (and is the 1GB versionof this worth $30 more)

Newegg.com - HIS Hightech H487F512P Radeon HD 4870 512MB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards

EDIT: Or this http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16814143140

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[Gareth1977]

Stick with the 9800GTX. ATI cards aernt as good for emulators. And a GTX 260 would be overkill for the rest of your system and cause a bottleneck, not to mention needing a more powerful psu

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[ARC@NO]

Originally Posted by talex7

Corsair it is then. I spotted this deal, don't know how long it will last but the price is reduced $70. Is this a better card than the 9800 GTX+, or should I stay away from it? (and is the 1GB versionof this worth $30 more)

Newegg.com - HIS Hightech H487F512P Radeon HD 4870 512MB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards

EDIT: Or this Newegg.ca - BFG Tech BFGEGTX260896OCE GeForce GTX 260 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards

If I recall right you will use the new vid card to more than emulation (PC gaming) doesn't it?

the HD4870 is a very powerful card that will run almost any game maxed out or with some settings in medium in resolutions of 1920x1200 (24" wide LCDs), It'll be a good choice but like Gareth said It'll cause a bottlenecking with your current HW.

The GTX260 is even better but again, will cause bottlenecking.

Also considering both, maybe the 400W PSU will not be sufficient enough 'cause the GTX260 need at least 32A in the 12V+ rail.

So, in order to gain the most reliable performance of your current system the 400W Corsair PSU will be nice paired with a HD4850/GTS250 (not 9800GTX+, many of them still uses 2xPCI-E connectors causing more power draw/heat, if you find a 9800GTX+ that uses only 1xPCI-E connector, then grab it, It's exactly THE SAME as a GTS250).

BUT YOU'LL BE FINE with a 9800GT or a HD4770/HD4830 for general gaming and emulation, and your new Corsair PSU will handle it without issues.

Also you can choose a Nvidia model instead an ATi one, ppl say that ATi is not too good in emulation (need to say I didn't experiment any issues at all with my HD4850), but if you find an ATi card for cheap I suggest you to grab it.

In the end It's up to you, you don't need to expend more money if your system can cause bottleneck, just go with the high en models if you're planning to upgrade your CPU in the near future and have a more powerful PSU than the Corsair one, other way enjoy your current system with a "healthy" upgrade that, if not will be the most powerful, It'll performance nice without bottlenecking.

Hope I made myself clear, my native lenguage is Spanish

EDIT: Forgot to say that the HD4870/GTX260 needs 1x6pin AND 1x8pin PCI-E connectors, I dunno if those cards have the "adaptive dongle" (cannot remember the name) of the 8pin connector, if don't you're screwed with that Corsair PSU 'cause it doesn't have 8pin connector, It only have one PCI-E 6pin connector, so I say you should pick up a lower model to avoid future conflicts. Also is ALWAYS recommended staying away of the "adapters" and use always the dedicated connectors of the PSU.

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[talex7]

Originally Posted by ARC@NO

If I recall right you will use the new vid card to more than emulation (PC gaming) doesn't it?

the HD4870 is a very powerful card that will run almost any game maxed out or with some settings in medium in resolutions of 1920x1200 (24" wide LCDs), It'll be a good choice but like Gareth said It'll cause a bottlenecking with your current HW.

The GTX260 is even better but again, will cause bottlenecking.

Also considering both, maybe the 400W PSU will not be sufficient enough 'cause the GTX260 need at least 32A in the 12V+ rail.

So, in order to gain the most reliable performance of your current system the 400W Corsair PSU will be nice paired with a HD4850/GTS250 (not 9800GTX+, many of them still uses 2xPCI-E connectors causing more power draw/heat, if you find a 9800GTX+ that uses only 1xPCI-E connector, then grab it, It's exactly THE SAME as a GTS250).

BUT YOU'LL BE FINE with a 9800GT or a HD4770/HD4830 for general gaming and emulation, and your new Corsair PSU will handle it without issues.

Also you can choose a Nvidia model instead an ATi one, ppl say that ATi is not too good in emulation (need to say I didn't experiment any issues at all with my HD4850), but if you find an ATi card for cheap I suggest you to grab it.

In the end It's up to you, you don't need to expend more money if your system can cause bottleneck, just go with the high en models if you're planning to upgrade your CPU in the near future and have a more powerful PSU than the Corsair one, other way enjoy your current system with a "healthy" upgrade that, if not will be the most powerful, It'll performance nice without bottlenecking.

Hope I made myself clear, my native lenguage is Spanish

EDIT: Forgot to say that the HD4870/GTX260 needs 1x6pin AND 1x8pin PCI-E connectors, I dunno if those cards have the "adaptive dongle" (cannot remember the name) of the 8pin connector, if don't you're screwed with that Corsair PSU 'cause it doesn't have 8pin connector, It only have one PCI-E 6pin connector, so I say you should pick up a lower model to avoid future conflicts. Also is ALWAYS recommended staying away of the "adapters" and use always the dedicated connectors of the PSU.

Yeah, I'll just wait till I get a new computer before I buy a better card. Alright, well we'll see how the 9800 GTX+ 1GB and the Corsair PSU improve my performance when they arrive. And you were perfectly clear, I wouldn't have guessed you weren't a native English speaker.

Thank you for all your help guys, I've learned a lot.

[ARC@NO]

Originally Posted by talex7

Yeah, I'll just wait till I get a new computer before I buy a better card. Alright, well we'll see how the 9800 GTX+ 1GB and the Corsair PSU improve my performance when they arrive. And you were perfectly clear, I wouldn't have guessed you weren't a native English speaker.

Thank you for all your help guys, I've learned a lot.

Glad to help you out, just remember that 9800GTX+ that you're planning to buy should (almost a must) only have 1xPCI-E jack instead of 2, just to ensure the fully compatibility with the new PSU.

The new GTS250 is a competely CLONE of the 9800GTX+ just came with 55nm process and better energy management that surpress one PCI-E jack, in some cases It outperforms my HD4850, but in real aplications the difference is not noticeable.

Great choice for upgrading your 6150SE IGP, just take in consideration that the speed boost maybe not so huge (in emulation, PC games will be severely improved), now you'll be CPU limited in Dolphin/PCSX2, so your next move could be upgrading that.

Good luck

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[talex7]

Ok, well after installing both the video card and PSU my fps has gone up nicely, but unfortunately its still slightly too low in-game (at about 20fps) to play Mario Strikers. Other games look smooth so it has helped. IOddly, after installing the video card, my computer would at times lose picture and I would have to restart. After checking I discovered a big problem I have now is that my GPU is overheating like crazy. It idles around 60C and climbs to 70-80C seconds after I run the emulator, or other pc games, before hanging around 90-100C. My CPU also seems hot, as it idles around 50C and goes up to 85C+ after being at full load for a few mins. The Psu I bought had a fan on the bottom instead of at the back like my old one, I don't know if that messes things up, but it is facing my video card fan.

Anyways is there anything that I can do to potentially fix this heating problem? I tried testing it without a cover, but the temps were pretty much the same. I can upload pics of my comp if that helps.

(I used EVGA Precision and SpeedFan to check temps)

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Yes uploading pics would help.

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