No more DirectX after DX9.0. WGF 1.0 is the next generation graohics technology.

Organ_Shifter · September 4th, 2004

Will this affect the way code is written for emulators or will authors be able to make the transition to WGF 1.0 rather easily (Not easy...but ya know

).

Some Info On It Here!

**Kane** · September 4th, 2004

It's just a new name for DirectX

Shin_Gouki · September 5th, 2004

no thats wrong

get informed Kane-Sama! its a whole new concept-technologie

and will not be compatible with DX!
there a LOT of changes, i got my infos from here:
http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulle...&highlight=WGF
but this is in german so search arround for some infos,
indeed it is quite a big and IMPORTANT change coming with WGF... lets see if we like it...
wbr Shin Gouki

wile · September 5th, 2004

SH** when is this going to come out?

I wonder if xbox 2 will use it.

Also, most devlopers will still use DX!

Shin_Gouki · September 5th, 2004

yeah of couse, ut you know the deal
since no new features are any more developed under DX API
quite soon ( 2-3) dx will die ... strange isn´t it? ^^
but thats MS

giving software which REQUIRES you to buy new hardware and is as less compatible with old standards as possible...
wbr Shin Gouki

**Kane** · September 5th, 2004

It's still essentially Dx10. It's the same idea just htey are stripping out legacy support.

**Razor Blade** · September 5th, 2004

Kanes right here.

When I saw this news on Warp2Search I thought, Oh crap! But generally, like Kane said. It's a name change with new features and some taken out ...

MoleTheImp · September 6th, 2004

A name change is maybe a bit unfair

- WGF is also based on the new device driver architecture in longhorn
- No more capabilities querying - the new cards have to implement the full WGF standard
- Only HLSL shaders, probably v4.0 - no fixed function pipelines, no assembly / binary modes
- Much better compatibility between the different cards

Not so bad I think, we have to wait, till we see the API spec.

Esturk · September 6th, 2004

Since there won't be any legacy support, does that mean that older games won't run anymore?

Shin_Gouki · September 6th, 2004

ha try DosBox for that one

-> to WGF in general its really scary how microsoft forces us to change the os...
i liked XP too bad...
*sigh* guess updating everything can´t be helped

wbr Shin Gouki

**shadow_tj** · September 6th, 2004

no legacy support,

mmm why bother there always be stuff to make it backwards compatible or usable..
legacy support of java virtual machine from microsoft.. there is none.

great sun has made it availible for xp users.
thats yust one sample

ok win98 games don`t work perfect under xp.. there is also a option running as win95 mode.

its only like win98. microsoft wanst to stop support .. not that its not usable annymore.

all those games can be trown away.. don`t think so.
microsoft yust don`t wanne make new updates of directx.. just like windows 98 or nt4 and nt3.51 and who can blame them.

computers changes.. new hardware is generated ... powerfull toys are comming up.. so why stick with the old stuff. make new stuff.

**zenogais** · September 6th, 2004

WGF is really just Direct3D 10, because the input/sound/netplay stuff will essentially be the same as in DirectX 9. Basically its only a new rendering API for compatability with longhorn, or at least thats what I can gather.

MaZa · September 6th, 2004

WGF? Knowing Microsoft, it should be called WTF.

**Kane** · September 6th, 2004

>Since there won't be any legacy support, does that mean that older games won't run anymore?

My guess is that legacy support will be provided by the DirectX9 3d API

MoleTheImp · September 7th, 2004

That's what I think as well, because longhorn comes with a full DX9.

**blueshogun96** · September 7th, 2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by wile

SH** when is this going to come out?

I wonder if xbox 2 will use it.

Also, most devlopers will still use DX!

I heard that xbox 2 was gonna use DX10 APIs. The is WGF thing is new to me.

NOTE: I don't mean to be... you know, but this thread was placed in the wrong forum (has nothing to do with Cxbx). Shouldn't it be moved?

Organ_Shifter · September 27th, 2004

Here is an updated article of progress with WGF 1.0. It says that version 0.99 is available right now. Being that this article is from the Inquire, an added level of skepticism comes in to play.

Anyway, here it is:
WGF Almost Completed

kinghajj · September 30th, 2004

Only Longhorn? No sane game developer will use it then, as alot of people will stay at XP (or earlier!) Windows OSes. Not until most of the market is switched over, which I guess would be 1-2 years after Longhorn is released, will they release games using WGF.

Longbow · October 16th, 2004

its the same basic idea of what happened with Win Xp, most people stayed away from it till SP1 came out, but even then some people refused to use it till Win2k or 98 didnt cut it anymore. i know i was one of those people. i stayed useing Win2k until Sp1 came out now i cant use anything else.
i cant stand the sh**ty dock bar in longhorn and i cant understand why M$ put that in..

proger · October 16th, 2004

Dude, you can close that--and longhorns still beta (Not to mention REALLY slow...)

This REALLY sucks for my Geforce FX 5900u, i didnt plan replacing it for a while.... crap

:cuss2:

September 4th, 2004	#1 (permalink)
Organ_Shifter Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 26	No more DirectX after DX9.0. WGF 1.0 is the next generation graphics technology. Will this affect the way code is written for emulators or will authors be able to make the transition to WGF 1.0 rather easily (Not easy...but ya know ). Some Info On It Here! __________________ Xbox 360 Controller (XBCD Drivers Info/Help) (ControlMK Info) OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 \| CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3700+ \| RAM: 2GB Kingston DDR400 \| Mainboard: DFI LANPARTY UT nF3 250Gb \| GPU: HIS Radeon X1950 Pro IceQ3 Turbo 512MB GDDR3 AGP8x \| Monitor: Samsung SyncMaster 226BW 1680x1050 Digital (3000:1, 2ms) \| HD: Seagate Barracuda 250GB S-ATA \| Seagate Barracuda 320GB S-ATA II \| Sound: Logitech Z-5500 Digital \| Case: Logisys Arcrylic Clear \| Cooling: Thermaltake Sonic Tower Heatpipe Cooling \| PS: SILVERSTONE ST85F Modular 850W Last edited by Organ_Shifter; June 7th, 2005 at 05:27.

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Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	It's just a new name for DirectX __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

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Shin_Gouki Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Europe / Germany Posts: 772	no thats wrong get informed Kane-Sama! its a whole new concept-technologie and will not be compatible with DX! there a LOT of changes, i got my infos from here: http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulle...&highlight=WGF but this is in german so search arround for some infos, indeed it is quite a big and IMPORTANT change coming with WGF... lets see if we like it... wbr Shin Gouki Last edited by Shin_Gouki; September 5th, 2004 at 12:34.

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wile Banned Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ohio (usa) Posts: 97	SH** when is this going to come out? I wonder if xbox 2 will use it. Also, most devlopers will still use DX! Last edited by wile; September 5th, 2004 at 16:17.

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Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	It's still essentially Dx10. It's the same idea just htey are stripping out legacy support. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

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Shin_Gouki Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Europe / Germany Posts: 772	yeah of couse, ut you know the deal since no new features are any more developed under DX API quite soon ( 2-3) dx will die ... strange isn´t it? ^^ but thats MS giving software which REQUIRES you to buy new hardware and is as less compatible with old standards as possible... wbr Shin Gouki

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MoleTheImp Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 9	A name change is maybe a bit unfair - WGF is also based on the new device driver architecture in longhorn - No more capabilities querying - the new cards have to implement the full WGF standard - Only HLSL shaders, probably v4.0 - no fixed function pipelines, no assembly / binary modes - Much better compatibility between the different cards Not so bad I think, we have to wait, till we see the API spec.

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Shin_Gouki Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Europe / Germany Posts: 772	ha try DosBox for that one -> to WGF in general its really scary how microsoft forces us to change the os... i liked XP too bad... sigh guess updating everything can´t be helped wbr Shin Gouki

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shadow_tj Emu author Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 542	no legacy support, mmm why bother there always be stuff to make it backwards compatible or usable.. legacy support of java virtual machine from microsoft.. there is none. great sun has made it availible for xp users. thats yust one sample ok win98 games don`t work perfect under xp.. there is also a option running as win95 mode. its only like win98. microsoft wanst to stop support .. not that its not usable annymore. all those games can be trown away.. don`t think so. microsoft yust don`t wanne make new updates of directx.. just like windows 98 or nt4 and nt3.51 and who can blame them. computers changes.. new hardware is generated ... powerfull toys are comming up.. so why stick with the old stuff. make new stuff.

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zenogais Emu author Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Victorville(Near Los Angeles or LA for those who are on the DL) Posts: 839	WGF is really just Direct3D 10, because the input/sound/netplay stuff will essentially be the same as in DirectX 9. Basically its only a new rendering API for compatability with longhorn, or at least thats what I can gather. __________________ ----------------- Emu Tinkerer and C++ Programmer

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Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	>Since there won't be any legacy support, does that mean that older games won't run anymore? My guess is that legacy support will be provided by the DirectX9 3d API __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

September 7th, 2004	#15 (permalink)
MoleTheImp Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 9	That's what I think as well, because longhorn comes with a full DX9.

September 27th, 2004	#17 (permalink)
Organ_Shifter Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 26	Here is an updated article of progress with WGF 1.0. It says that version 0.99 is available right now. Being that this article is from the Inquire, an added level of skepticism comes in to play. Anyway, here it is: WGF Almost Completed __________________ Xbox 360 Controller (XBCD Drivers Info/Help) (ControlMK Info) OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 \| CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3700+ \| RAM: 2GB Kingston DDR400 \| Mainboard: DFI LANPARTY UT nF3 250Gb \| GPU: HIS Radeon X1950 Pro IceQ3 Turbo 512MB GDDR3 AGP8x \| Monitor: Samsung SyncMaster 226BW 1680x1050 Digital (3000:1, 2ms) \| HD: Seagate Barracuda 250GB S-ATA \| Seagate Barracuda 320GB S-ATA II \| Sound: Logitech Z-5500 Digital \| Case: Logisys Arcrylic Clear \| Cooling: Thermaltake Sonic Tower Heatpipe Cooling \| PS: SILVERSTONE ST85F Modular 850W

September 30th, 2004	#18 (permalink)
kinghajj Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: US Posts: 5	Only Longhorn? No sane game developer will use it then, as alot of people will stay at XP (or earlier!) Windows OSes. Not until most of the market is switched over, which I guess would be 1-2 years after Longhorn is released, will they release games using WGF.

October 16th, 2004	#19 (permalink)
Longbow Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: not of this planet Posts: 4	its the same basic idea of what happened with Win Xp, most people stayed away from it till SP1 came out, but even then some people refused to use it till Win2k or 98 didnt cut it anymore. i know i was one of those people. i stayed useing Win2k until Sp1 came out now i cant use anything else. i cant stand the sh**ty dock bar in longhorn and i cant understand why M$ put that in..

October 16th, 2004	#20 (permalink)
proger Customized User Title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: usa Posts: 346	Dude, you can close that--and longhorns still beta (Not to mention REALLY slow...) This REALLY sucks for my Geforce FX 5900u, i didnt plan replacing it for a while.... crap :cuss2:

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