Reuest for a feature for Silent Scope Complete

neotechni · October 1st, 2009

Could you please figure out how to render the scope's surface/texture to another window? I want to make a silent scope rifle with a real LCD and it'd be much easier if this emulator could just pass it to another window.

And since the game doesn't support a light rifle, could you have the emulator take control of the X/Y position of the scope and let us control it via the mouse?

Otherwise I have to buy a component capture card, and write software to locate the scope...

**blueshogun96** · October 1st, 2009

We're emu authors... not miracle workers. It's a cool idea, but unfortunately we can't make everybody's dreams come true. Otherwise everybody favourite game would be playable.

Second, we don't even know how the lightgun works (in software). Compatibility is our biggest issue here, not lack of features.

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neotechni · October 1st, 2009

I didn't think it'd require a miracle. Just finding which surface is used to render the scope to, and passing a copy (bitblt?) of it to another window.

As for the lightgun, you don't need to find out how it works. Just find which memory addresses house the X/Y coordinates, and take control of them. Similar to how you'd find gameshark codes.

I am a programmer so I only made the suggestion cause I felt it's possible.

However I am not a programmer of your app so I'm not arrogant enough to assume I must be right.

Though I get what you meant about compatibility.

**blueshogun96** · October 1st, 2009

I don't mind anyone making requests. It's just that sometimes people go to far. Plus I'm a little burned out right now... and I'm about to fall asleep at this keyboard.

It's really more complicated than it sounds. First of all, the game needs to work! I don't have it and I have no idea what XDK it uses, so that really halts everything right there. If you post an xbe dump, then I can determine the possibility of this game serving as a good enough candidate to emulate. Second, tracking down a certain surface/texture without the actual source code is hard. Since textures are normally packed into resource files and read as file offsets, that's makes it bad enough right there. Lastly, since this is an HLE emulator, we'll need to find out what interfaces interact with the lightgun in the first place. There is a lightgun library, but I've never been able to find it in the XDK. Yes, I have tried before (HOTD III).

I'm not trying to be mean, but things like that take time. And that's not a resource I have much of to spend on this emulator like I really want.

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neotechni · October 1st, 2009

I understand. And I didn't think you came off as mean at all.

**blueshogun96** · October 1st, 2009

Okay, good. But do you think you can do an .xbe dump for Silent Scope, please? I'm still curious as to what XDK it uses. Shadow_tj would also like this as well. Thanks.

Edit -> Dump xbe info to -> File...

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neotechni · October 1st, 2009

Certainly.

Would I be able to do this from an original game disc, or would I have to rip an ISO somehow from my modded XBOX?

saintseiya · October 1st, 2009

neotechi don´t request nothing, blues is very busy with cxbx progress, please if you want play xbox in a pc be a good dev and help with this

**blueshogun96** · October 1st, 2009

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Originally Posted by saintseiya

neotechi don´t request nothing, blues is very busy with cxbx progress, please if you want play xbox in a pc be a good dev and help with this

It's okay, don't worry about it.

Quote:

Would I be able to do this from an original game disc, or would I have to rip an ISO somehow from my modded XBOX?

All you have to do is extract the .xbe file from your disc and load it up that way.

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neotechni · October 2nd, 2009

Alright, I'm home now so I can do it. But putting the disc in my PC results in a DVD movie. I have to do it on the XBOX itself don't I?

JoaoHadouken · October 3rd, 2009

guy... i don't know if that's correct... but I make a ISO with a backup of my xbox game and then extract the files in the ISO using the CXbox Tool. if that's wrong i don't know... but, if it is, please tell me another way to make it respecting the law!

**blueshogun96** · October 3rd, 2009

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Originally Posted by neotechni

Alright, I'm home now so I can do it. But putting the disc in my PC results in a DVD movie. I have to do it on the XBOX itself don't I?

Yes, if you have a modded Xbox, you should be able to dump the files.

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neotechni · October 4th, 2009

I'll get this done monday. I have to set up my xbox...

chipsugar · October 4th, 2009

Good. Dont expect the game to work though *but* do transfer the whole game to the pc. If even *something* is visible apart from a black screen and some disc access then that'll make it more likely that devs like blushogun will work on it.

neotechni · October 5th, 2009

Got it up for you.

Though there seems to be individual XBE files for each version of silent scope on the disc, I uploaded the one for the main menu. I can post those others if you'd like but I assume it'd use the same SDK version

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**blueshogun96** · October 5th, 2009

It's a 5558. Thanks. I have that XDK, and I guess the biggest challenge besides the lightgun APIs would be the sound. Other than that, I'd say emulating this game would be possible.

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neotechni · October 5th, 2009

You could make a game specific hack for light gun games, where you find the address of the cursor's XY coordinate, and just dump the mouse position into it.

saintseiya · October 6th, 2009

notechi find new devs for this project if you can, i love xbox games too, well here a old very old regards for you in cxbx

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neotechni Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: canada Posts: 17	Reuest for a feature for Silent Scope Complete Could you please figure out how to render the scope's surface/texture to another window? I want to make a silent scope rifle with a real LCD and it'd be much easier if this emulator could just pass it to another window. And since the game doesn't support a light rifle, could you have the emulator take control of the X/Y position of the scope and let us control it via the mouse? Otherwise I have to buy a component capture card, and write software to locate the scope...

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October 1st, 2009	#2 (permalink)
blueshogun96 Emu author Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Unidentified Posts: 2,518	We're emu authors... not miracle workers. It's a cool idea, but unfortunately we can't make everybody's dreams come true. Otherwise everybody favourite game would be playable. Second, we don't even know how the lightgun works (in software). Compatibility is our biggest issue here, not lack of features. __________________ [Sagat] Windows XP x64 Pro \| AMD Athlon 3000+ (~2.0GHz) \| NVIDIA GeForce 6600 PCI-E \| Realtek AC97 Audio \| 512MB Ram \| NVIDIA NForce 4-4X chipset \| Seagate HDD 160GB \| LG 8614 DVD-ROM \| HP DVD 1040d CD/DVD -/+ RW w/ LightScribe [Raylene] HP dv2000 \| Windows Vista Home Premium \| Intel Core2 Duo @2.2GHz \| NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS 128Mb (Dedicated) + 1264Mb (Shared) \| 3GB Ram \| 220GB HDD GeneralEmu - December 27, 2005 and beyond! Shogun3D Interactive (I try to update it every day now) Shogun's Cxbx Dev Blog

October 1st, 2009	#3 (permalink)
neotechni Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: canada Posts: 17	I didn't think it'd require a miracle. Just finding which surface is used to render the scope to, and passing a copy (bitblt?) of it to another window. As for the lightgun, you don't need to find out how it works. Just find which memory addresses house the X/Y coordinates, and take control of them. Similar to how you'd find gameshark codes. I am a programmer so I only made the suggestion cause I felt it's possible. However I am not a programmer of your app so I'm not arrogant enough to assume I must be right. Though I get what you meant about compatibility.

October 1st, 2009	#4 (permalink)
blueshogun96 Emu author Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Unidentified Posts: 2,518	I don't mind anyone making requests. It's just that sometimes people go to far. Plus I'm a little burned out right now... and I'm about to fall asleep at this keyboard. It's really more complicated than it sounds. First of all, the game needs to work! I don't have it and I have no idea what XDK it uses, so that really halts everything right there. If you post an xbe dump, then I can determine the possibility of this game serving as a good enough candidate to emulate. Second, tracking down a certain surface/texture without the actual source code is hard. Since textures are normally packed into resource files and read as file offsets, that's makes it bad enough right there. Lastly, since this is an HLE emulator, we'll need to find out what interfaces interact with the lightgun in the first place. There is a lightgun library, but I've never been able to find it in the XDK. Yes, I have tried before (HOTD III). I'm not trying to be mean, but things like that take time. And that's not a resource I have much of to spend on this emulator like I really want. __________________ [Sagat] Windows XP x64 Pro \| AMD Athlon 3000+ (~2.0GHz) \| NVIDIA GeForce 6600 PCI-E \| Realtek AC97 Audio \| 512MB Ram \| NVIDIA NForce 4-4X chipset \| Seagate HDD 160GB \| LG 8614 DVD-ROM \| HP DVD 1040d CD/DVD -/+ RW w/ LightScribe [Raylene] HP dv2000 \| Windows Vista Home Premium \| Intel Core2 Duo @2.2GHz \| NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS 128Mb (Dedicated) + 1264Mb (Shared) \| 3GB Ram \| 220GB HDD GeneralEmu - December 27, 2005 and beyond! Shogun3D Interactive (I try to update it every day now) Shogun's Cxbx Dev Blog

October 1st, 2009	#5 (permalink)
neotechni Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: canada Posts: 17	I understand. And I didn't think you came off as mean at all.

October 1st, 2009	#6 (permalink)
blueshogun96 Emu author Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Unidentified Posts: 2,518	Okay, good. But do you think you can do an .xbe dump for Silent Scope, please? I'm still curious as to what XDK it uses. Shadow_tj would also like this as well. Thanks. Edit -> Dump xbe info to -> File... __________________ [Sagat] Windows XP x64 Pro \| AMD Athlon 3000+ (~2.0GHz) \| NVIDIA GeForce 6600 PCI-E \| Realtek AC97 Audio \| 512MB Ram \| NVIDIA NForce 4-4X chipset \| Seagate HDD 160GB \| LG 8614 DVD-ROM \| HP DVD 1040d CD/DVD -/+ RW w/ LightScribe [Raylene] HP dv2000 \| Windows Vista Home Premium \| Intel Core2 Duo @2.2GHz \| NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS 128Mb (Dedicated) + 1264Mb (Shared) \| 3GB Ram \| 220GB HDD GeneralEmu - December 27, 2005 and beyond! Shogun3D Interactive (I try to update it every day now) Shogun's Cxbx Dev Blog

October 1st, 2009	#7 (permalink)
neotechni Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: canada Posts: 17	Certainly. Would I be able to do this from an original game disc, or would I have to rip an ISO somehow from my modded XBOX?

October 1st, 2009	#8 (permalink)
saintseiya Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: spain Posts: 221	neotechi don´t request nothing, blues is very busy with cxbx progress, please if you want play xbox in a pc be a good dev and help with this

October 2nd, 2009	#10 (permalink)
neotechni Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: canada Posts: 17	Alright, I'm home now so I can do it. But putting the disc in my PC results in a DVD movie. I have to do it on the XBOX itself don't I?

October 3rd, 2009	#11 (permalink)
JoaoHadouken Never give up your dreams Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Brazil Posts: 14	guy... i don't know if that's correct... but I make a ISO with a backup of my xbox game and then extract the files in the ISO using the CXbox Tool. if that's wrong i don't know... but, if it is, please tell me another way to make it respecting the law!

October 4th, 2009	#13 (permalink)
neotechni Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: canada Posts: 17	I'll get this done monday. I have to set up my xbox...

October 4th, 2009	#14 (permalink)
chipsugar Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: London, England Posts: 164	Good. Dont expect the game to work though but do transfer the whole game to the pc. If even something is visible apart from a black screen and some disc access then that'll make it more likely that devs like blushogun will work on it.

October 5th, 2009	#16 (permalink)
blueshogun96 Emu author Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Unidentified Posts: 2,518	It's a 5558. Thanks. I have that XDK, and I guess the biggest challenge besides the lightgun APIs would be the sound. Other than that, I'd say emulating this game would be possible. __________________ [Sagat] Windows XP x64 Pro \| AMD Athlon 3000+ (~2.0GHz) \| NVIDIA GeForce 6600 PCI-E \| Realtek AC97 Audio \| 512MB Ram \| NVIDIA NForce 4-4X chipset \| Seagate HDD 160GB \| LG 8614 DVD-ROM \| HP DVD 1040d CD/DVD -/+ RW w/ LightScribe [Raylene] HP dv2000 \| Windows Vista Home Premium \| Intel Core2 Duo @2.2GHz \| NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS 128Mb (Dedicated) + 1264Mb (Shared) \| 3GB Ram \| 220GB HDD GeneralEmu - December 27, 2005 and beyond! Shogun3D Interactive (I try to update it every day now) Shogun's Cxbx Dev Blog

October 5th, 2009	#17 (permalink)
neotechni Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: canada Posts: 17	You could make a game specific hack for light gun games, where you find the address of the cursor's XY coordinate, and just dump the mouse position into it.