Sony and CVGS

Seifer · May 9th, 2001

Hey guys, i have read in a magazine that Sony haven´t bought VGS, they have (Connectix and Sony) make an association to replace a chip in the PS2 (Sorry, I don´t rebember which one).

The objetive of this is emulate the PSOne in the PS2; I hope that when that happends, we´ll be able to get a better (and maybe a definitive) version of CVGS

What do you think????

Seifer

Vash · May 10th, 2001

This is taken from the press release:

As part of the agreement the two companies have resolved all legal issues pertaining to Connectix Virtual Game Station (CVGS). For consideration, Sony Computer Entertainment will acquire from Connectix all assets related to the VGS emulation technology. Connectix will continue to offer the current version of both CVGS for Macintosh and Windows until June 30, 2001. Connectix will provide continuing support to existing users. All further emulation development for the PlayStation® game console will proceed under the auspices of the joint agreement.

Translation, VGS will only be made after 6/30/01 if sony wants it to. The odds of that are slim at best. Sony prety much entered this agreement (read buyout), to get virtual PC (a product line they were trying to aquire before VGS was released). So don't hold your breath (unless Connectix releases one at the last moment, and I wouldn't bet on that either)

**Ryos** · May 10th, 2001

Considering how quiet Connectix has been over VGS recently (as in NO update about VGS since the rebate offer was announced/pulled (the latter without an announcement)), I highly suspect it's dead.

Ali · May 10th, 2001

Actually I thought that fpse is also dead but they came up with a walla emu....................!

Now as far as VGS is concerned maybe they are working on an advanced emulator,I mean they are making more advancements in the next release of VGS and taking their time.

But on the other side everyone thinks it is dead and so do I........!

Lets hope for a new and better VGS.The dead line is approaching

Ali
M.L.A

May 10th, 2001

I think VGS is dead....and to be honest the differences between 1.3 and 1.41 are not THAT big either (mainly a few small fixes and fixed the display bug on some pc's).....it's a good emu as it is now though.

Ali · May 10th, 2001

Man actually I still like VGS,I feel it is still the best just that the graphics sort of a suck but are tolerable.

It runs almost all the games in the book of psx.Not only the compatability but man the speed is also very good.All the game run at full speed.The GT2 is slow on epsxe but it runs perfect on VGS.

But there are some games which run very well on epsxe such as smack down 2!..........

But on the contrary I think that VGS is still good and we wish that it lives a long life.............................!!!

Ali
M.L.A

JeremyAnderson · May 10th, 2001

Seifer did you say emulate playstation 1 on playstation 2, Huh??? I thought it ran playstation 1 games

Seifer · May 12th, 2001

That´s exactly what i´m saying; they are trying to emulate PSOne on PS2 because they want to reduce components inside the console; it will run PSX games and PS2 games (the emulator will works with PSX games; the console with PS2)

That´s all i know; and i agree with liaqatali, VGS it´s an excellent emultor becuase it compatibility and speed; also the graphics are not the best ones, but you can play with them and it have a minor glitches in compartion with the other emulators.

All what we have it´s to pray for a newest (and maybe a definitive version of this emulator. I still think that it´s alive, but there isn´t any new that tell other thing, until this one so this is my only hope.

Seifer

Enigma1982 · May 12th, 2001

All we know is..........
"All VGS are belong to Sony"

spyres · May 13th, 2001

No matter, we have epsxe! Anyways, why does soney want virtual pc? What plans do they have for that?

Seifer · May 13th, 2001

what???, they also want Virtual PC???

What does this program do???

i have read in aldo´s site that Virtual pc just let you to save anywhere; can u explain me what´s going on???

Seifer

Vash · May 13th, 2001

Virtual PC was an app designed to run PC software on a Mac. The newest setup's designed to allow you to go from between OSes w/o rebooting. Hard to say what sony plans to do with it (I can take a few educated guesses and say it's for the notebook PC section, or possibly tablet PCs, but it's hard to say for sure.) There's also a possibilty they think it can be converted to go the other way (PC on linux), maybe for a non-M$ tablet PC, but that's unlikely at best (from a business standpoint)

For a description of the new virtual PC, see:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/18678.html

The replacement of the chip may not be as far fetched as it sounds either, given plans to drop the PS2s price by about $100 around september to combat the X-box and Gamecube hype (unfortunatly, this is place of the usual $50 E3 and second $50 pre-xmas drop, so it means being more patient if you want a good deal). It's still unlikely however that Sony would go to a software emu in the PS2, barring near-perfect emulation (a difficult prospect at best)

JDK · May 13th, 2001

Quote:

Originally posted by Seifer
That´s exactly what i´m saying; they are trying to emulate PSOne on PS2 because they want to reduce components inside the console; it will run PSX games and PS2 games (the emulator will works with PSX games; the console with PS2)

Seifer

ARE ALL OF YOU DENSE?!! PS2 can ALREADY emulate PSOne games (and with greater compatibility at that). What componets, they have the same I/O Processor and it was so easy for it to emulate, they included it in the PS2.

On another note, can't some talented people out there hack VGS and start making it better? Possibly adding graphic enhancements? This would all be illegal of course.

May 14th, 2001

Quote:

Originally posted by JDK

ARE ALL OF YOU DENSE?!! PS2 can ALREADY emulate PSOne games (and with greater compatibility at that). What componets, they have the same I/O Processor and it was so easy for it to emulate, they included it in the PS2.

On another note, can't some talented people out there hack VGS and start making it better? Possibly adding graphic enhancements? This would all be illegal of course.

not more illegal than the patches that are out now...as long as the exe is not distributed illegally I don't see much harm in it.

wanderer · May 15th, 2001

From the way Sony has been hounding bleem!DC these days, I have come to the conclusion that Sony bought VGS to kill it. :eek: . 'Nuff said.

Nahky · May 15th, 2001

I wouldn't be surprised if they did buy out Connectix to shut down VGS. Can't beat 'em, buy 'em. Which is a shame too because I was hoping Connectix would release a Win2K version or something =( Does anyone know of a patch that will enable you to use VGS with Win2K so I don't have to keep dual booting everytime I feel like using it?

JDK · May 15th, 2001

Why did Sony want to take VGS off the shelves? It wasnt on a lot of a game store shelves in the first place and many people who do have VGS probaby have a cracked version (i.e. me). PSX was one of the most succesful systems ever, and lots of people (I think 27 million or something) have a Playstation... and VGS was never a best seller.

Yet Bleemcast! was a best seller and why? Emulation on PC has one drawback: You need a good system. Now most people don't want to spend over a thousand dollars (if they don't have the money) updating our making a new computer just to play PSX (or any games) on their computers. But DC is only 99 bucks! So with Bleemcast you can enjoy GT2 with Geforce 2 on EPSXE graphics but only on the Dreamcast (plus no glitches). People don't have to worry about buying new equipment or worrying about compatibility. Isn't that great?

KillerShots · May 15th, 2001

Bleem!Cast cannot possibly approach ePSXe graphics due to the minor problem that televisions cannot produce high resolutions (Try hooking your video card to your TV, you'll notice you can't actually READ any text anywhere). FSAA is a great feature, it helps a lot, but you STILL want some high res involved.

**Betamax** · May 16th, 2001

> Why did Sony want to take VGS off the shelves?

The most basic of motives... money. Connectrix developed a legal system that can play psx games on a pc ... and this included backups. Sony gets most of its money from the licensing of the games. nuff said.

>It wasnt on a lot of a game store shelves in the first place and many people who do have VGS probaby have a cracked version (i.e. me).

To begin with sony had some sort of court order preventing them from selling it and was seeking other legal action. Think about it. if you were a store would you sell a product that you might be forced to remove from you shelves?

Man did you even READ the rules. Warez are not allowed and can get you banned

> Emulation on PC has one drawback: You need a good system.

True ... but Bleemcast has its own disadvantages

1) you need a separate vmu to save games (is more than double the cost of Bleemcast)
2) you can only play one game per pack (as apposed to the comparitively larger list for epsxe etc..)
3) It doesn't work in all DCs .. only ones that can boot mil cds

Thats three to your one

>Now most people don't want to spend over a thousand dollars (if they don't have the money)
updating our making a new computer just to play PSX (or any games) on their computers.

Ok my main machine is an athlon 650 which I purchased a year ago. I have no problems running games (ableit FF9 UK). I would call my machine average for today. My second machine is a K6 2 300. The games on this are about 2/3 of normal. That said quite a few games are still playable.

> People don't have to worry about buying new equipment or worrying about compatibility.

See disadvantage no 1 and 2

Personally I'll stick with epsxe

wanderer · May 17th, 2001

At TV resolutions, no. Epsxe is much better. Using the VGA box for the DC, maybe. You'll see games for the DC at resolutions for which it was intended to be (NTSC 640x480, PAL 640x500 something). Then again, a console is made for TV, right?

If that were the case I would rather buy a PC than a DC.

May 9th, 2001	#1 (permalink)
Seifer I'm Watching You!!! Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Valhalla Posts: 88	Sony and CVGS Hey guys, i have read in a magazine that Sony haven´t bought VGS, they have (Connectix and Sony) make an association to replace a chip in the PS2 (Sorry, I don´t rebember which one). The objetive of this is emulate the PSOne in the PS2; I hope that when that happends, we´ll be able to get a better (and maybe a definitive) version of CVGS What do you think???? Seifer __________________ The only way to make this work, it´s work as a team.

May 10th, 2001	#4 (permalink)
Ali CoLD InSiDE Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 2,613	Actually I thought that fpse is also dead but they came up with a walla emu....................! Now as far as VGS is concerned maybe they are working on an advanced emulator,I mean they are making more advancements in the next release of VGS and taking their time. But on the other side everyone thinks it is dead and so do I........! Lets hope for a new and better VGS.The dead line is approaching Ali M.L.A __________________ AMD Athlon XP 2100 @ 1.75 Ghz Gigabyte GA-7VA.XP VIA K400 1.25GB PC3200 System Ram ChainTech GeForCe4 TI 4200 128MB Creative SB Live! 5.1 2x WD Caviar 120GBs and -Rom1 Maxtor 40GB LiteON 16x DVD-Rw WindowsXP Professional-SP2 & Mandrake Linux

May 10th, 2001	#6 (permalink)
Ali CoLD InSiDE Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 2,613	Man actually I still like VGS,I feel it is still the best just that the graphics sort of a suck but are tolerable. It runs almost all the games in the book of psx.Not only the compatability but man the speed is also very good.All the game run at full speed.The GT2 is slow on epsxe but it runs perfect on VGS. But there are some games which run very well on epsxe such as smack down 2!.......... But on the contrary I think that VGS is still good and we wish that it lives a long life.............................!!! Ali M.L.A __________________ AMD Athlon XP 2100 @ 1.75 Ghz Gigabyte GA-7VA.XP VIA K400 1.25GB PC3200 System Ram ChainTech GeForCe4 TI 4200 128MB Creative SB Live! 5.1 2x WD Caviar 120GBs and -Rom1 Maxtor 40GB LiteON 16x DVD-Rw WindowsXP Professional-SP2 & Mandrake Linux

May 10th, 2001	#7 (permalink)
JeremyAnderson Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Terra Posts: 55	Seifer did you say emulate playstation 1 on playstation 2, Huh??? I thought it ran playstation 1 games __________________ I want net-play kupo!

May 12th, 2001	#8 (permalink)
Seifer I'm Watching You!!! Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Valhalla Posts: 88	That´s exactly what i´m saying; they are trying to emulate PSOne on PS2 because they want to reduce components inside the console; it will run PSX games and PS2 games (the emulator will works with PSX games; the console with PS2) That´s all i know; and i agree with liaqatali, VGS it´s an excellent emultor becuase it compatibility and speed; also the graphics are not the best ones, but you can play with them and it have a minor glitches in compartion with the other emulators. All what we have it´s to pray for a newest (and maybe a definitive version of this emulator. I still think that it´s alive, but there isn´t any new that tell other thing, until this one so this is my only hope. Seifer __________________ The only way to make this work, it´s work as a team.

May 10th, 2001	#2 (permalink)
Vash Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 26	This is taken from the press release: As part of the agreement the two companies have resolved all legal issues pertaining to Connectix Virtual Game Station (CVGS). For consideration, Sony Computer Entertainment will acquire from Connectix all assets related to the VGS emulation technology. Connectix will continue to offer the current version of both CVGS for Macintosh and Windows until June 30, 2001. Connectix will provide continuing support to existing users. All further emulation development for the PlayStation® game console will proceed under the auspices of the joint agreement. Translation, VGS will only be made after 6/30/01 if sony wants it to. The odds of that are slim at best. Sony prety much entered this agreement (read buyout), to get virtual PC (a product line they were trying to aquire before VGS was released). So don't hold your breath (unless Connectix releases one at the last moment, and I wouldn't bet on that either)

May 10th, 2001	#3 (permalink)
Ryos Revenger of Vengeance Join Date: May 2001 Location: Nowhere Posts: 11,250	Considering how quiet Connectix has been over VGS recently (as in NO update about VGS since the rebate offer was announced/pulled (the latter without an announcement)), I highly suspect it's dead.

May 10th, 2001	#5 (permalink)
Samor Guest Posts: n/a	I think VGS is dead....and to be honest the differences between 1.3 and 1.41 are not THAT big either (mainly a few small fixes and fixed the display bug on some pc's).....it's a good emu as it is now though.

May 12th, 2001	#9 (permalink)
Enigma1982 Do not Disturb Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Bangkok,Thailand Posts: 1,808	All we know is.......... "All VGS are belong to Sony"

May 13th, 2001	#10 (permalink)
spyres Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Sacramento Posts: 1	I think it's dead... No matter, we have epsxe! Anyways, why does soney want virtual pc? What plans do they have for that? __________________ Total Nonsense.com Total Nonsense Forums

May 13th, 2001	#11 (permalink)
Seifer I'm Watching You!!! Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Valhalla Posts: 88	what???, they also want Virtual PC??? What does this program do??? i have read in aldo´s site that Virtual pc just let you to save anywhere; can u explain me what´s going on??? Seifer __________________ The only way to make this work, it´s work as a team.

May 13th, 2001	#12 (permalink)
Vash Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 26	Virtual PC was an app designed to run PC software on a Mac. The newest setup's designed to allow you to go from between OSes w/o rebooting. Hard to say what sony plans to do with it (I can take a few educated guesses and say it's for the notebook PC section, or possibly tablet PCs, but it's hard to say for sure.) There's also a possibilty they think it can be converted to go the other way (PC on linux), maybe for a non-M$ tablet PC, but that's unlikely at best (from a business standpoint) For a description of the new virtual PC, see: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/18678.html The replacement of the chip may not be as far fetched as it sounds either, given plans to drop the PS2s price by about $100 around september to combat the X-box and Gamecube hype (unfortunatly, this is place of the usual $50 E3 and second $50 pre-xmas drop, so it means being more patient if you want a good deal). It's still unlikely however that Sony would go to a software emu in the PS2, barring near-perfect emulation (a difficult prospect at best) Last edited by Vash; May 13th, 2001 at 20:18.

May 15th, 2001	#15 (permalink)
wanderer Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Philippines Posts: 146	From the way Sony has been hounding bleem!DC these days, I have come to the conclusion that Sony bought VGS to kill it. :eek: . 'Nuff said.

May 15th, 2001	#16 (permalink)
Nahky Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9	I wouldn't be surprised if they did buy out Connectix to shut down VGS. Can't beat 'em, buy 'em. Which is a shame too because I was hoping Connectix would release a Win2K version or something =( Does anyone know of a patch that will enable you to use VGS with Win2K so I don't have to keep dual booting everytime I feel like using it?

May 15th, 2001	#17 (permalink)
JDK Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 7	Why did Sony want to take VGS off the shelves? It wasnt on a lot of a game store shelves in the first place and many people who do have VGS probaby have a cracked version (i.e. me). PSX was one of the most succesful systems ever, and lots of people (I think 27 million or something) have a Playstation... and VGS was never a best seller. Yet Bleemcast! was a best seller and why? Emulation on PC has one drawback: You need a good system. Now most people don't want to spend over a thousand dollars (if they don't have the money) updating our making a new computer just to play PSX (or any games) on their computers. But DC is only 99 bucks! So with Bleemcast you can enjoy GT2 with Geforce 2 on EPSXE graphics but only on the Dreamcast (plus no glitches). People don't have to worry about buying new equipment or worrying about compatibility. Isn't that great?

May 15th, 2001	#18 (permalink)
KillerShots War Games coder Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,918	Bleem!Cast cannot possibly approach ePSXe graphics due to the minor problem that televisions cannot produce high resolutions (Try hooking your video card to your TV, you'll notice you can't actually READ any text anywhere). FSAA is a great feature, it helps a lot, but you STILL want some high res involved. __________________ Primary CPU: Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Mobo: Biostar N4SLI-A9 RAM: 2G Crucial (DDR400) Video: eVGA GeForce 7900 GTX (512M) Audio: HDA X-Mystique HD(s): Maxtor 300G SATA2, Samsung 400G SATA2 OS(s): WinXP x64 Pro, Vista x32 Ultimate, Gentoo x64 Monitor(s): Primary - 19" Flat Panel (1280x1024) Secondary - 19" Flat Panel (1280x1024) Tertiary - Zenith 42" Plasma TV (1024x768 res) Many other machines... sig too short

May 16th, 2001	#19 (permalink)
Betamax Resident Movie Critic Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland Posts: 9,480	> Why did Sony want to take VGS off the shelves? The most basic of motives... money. Connectrix developed a legal system that can play psx games on a pc ... and this included backups. Sony gets most of its money from the licensing of the games. nuff said. >It wasnt on a lot of a game store shelves in the first place and many people who do have VGS probaby have a cracked version (i.e. me). To begin with sony had some sort of court order preventing them from selling it and was seeking other legal action. Think about it. if you were a store would you sell a product that you might be forced to remove from you shelves? Man did you even READ the rules. Warez are not allowed and can get you banned > Emulation on PC has one drawback: You need a good system. True ... but Bleemcast has its own disadvantages 1) you need a separate vmu to save games (is more than double the cost of Bleemcast) 2) you can only play one game per pack (as apposed to the comparitively larger list for epsxe etc..) 3) It doesn't work in all DCs .. only ones that can boot mil cds Thats three to your one >Now most people don't want to spend over a thousand dollars (if they don't have the money) updating our making a new computer just to play PSX (or any games) on their computers. Ok my main machine is an athlon 650 which I purchased a year ago. I have no problems running games (ableit FF9 UK). I would call my machine average for today. My second machine is a K6 2 300. The games on this are about 2/3 of normal. That said quite a few games are still playable. > People don't have to worry about buying new equipment or worrying about compatibility. See disadvantage no 1 and 2 Personally I'll stick with epsxe __________________ Superior marketing of an inferior product will always win over inferior marketing of a superior product. Last edited by Betamax; May 16th, 2001 at 00:21.

May 17th, 2001	#20 (permalink)
wanderer Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Philippines Posts: 146	At TV resolutions, no. Epsxe is much better. Using the VGA box for the DC, maybe. You'll see games for the DC at resolutions for which it was intended to be (NTSC 640x480, PAL 640x500 something). Then again, a console is made for TV, right? If that were the case I would rather buy a PC than a DC.

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