Chankast Network Play

[Dekon_Frotz]

I have a question
Will I be able to play with the Chankast around the Internet or the network Lan?

[bram64]

Maybe, but don't expect it anytime soon.

[Sera]

you'll get the most generic answers:
"time will tell...."

[bcrt2000]

they need to add some more stability, speed optimizations, frame limting, etc before they can add support for that, although it probably wouldnt be hard to do it via kaillera.. if you're talking about the actual network adapter emulation, that might be harder (but in the end would probably yield better results for games that supported it)

[SlugZilla]

Network adaptor emulation is alot like the GBA link cable multiplayer. It's not been emulated yet on the GBA so it won't be easy for DC either.

[Shin_Gouki]

network play and network adapter emulation are something diffrent
to play SF A 3 over the net with 2 others or to use the dreamcast modem to play PSO is diffrent IMO.
wbr Shin Gouki

[Gondar]

Originally Posted by SlugZilla

Network adaptor emulation is alot like the GBA link cable multiplayer. It's not been emulated yet on the GBA so it won't be easy for DC either.

No, they are quite different. GBAs link cable needs to be more or less in perfect sync.

[Mystiq]

Thread bump.

Now that the emulator runs on a lot of machines, it might not be so hideous if Kaillera is implemented?

[keyboardsamurai]

So can't they use the same method that some of those nes emulators use? The original nes didn't have a tcp/ip network, yet some of these emulators have em. I've been playin people in tetris at my tech school on em for a long time. Wouldn't tcp/ip be eaiser then emulating the actual network connection on the dreamcast? However, I guess that chankast users would only be able to see chankast users on pso and not the other pso users online correct?

tcp/ip would be great for games like Soul Calibur and racing/sports etc... Then again they would need a frame limiter or something to keep in sync with each other...

[Bill_gates]

Originally Posted by Dekon_Frotz

I have a question
Will I be able to play with the Chankast around the Internet or the network Lan?

Its FAR too early for such talk.....

[l3illyl3ob]

also, it's potentially possible for someone who uses a kaileria based input plugin, they did it in ePSXe. But the practicality of such a thing is incredibly low at this point in the emulator's life.

[Cal,Emuman]

Originally Posted by Gondar

No, they are quite different. GBAs link cable needs to be more or less in perfect sync.

Too bad its only been emulated on GBC and GB.

[Shadow Lady]

i see i difficult right now as using kaillera needs a perfect sync in the emus, and right now chankast is a little unstable on speed and also doesnt have a frame limiter, so nope until chankast team makes a faster and more stable emu

[Mystiq]

MAME will run fine over Kaillera with two people with slow computers; it just won't be a pleasant experience.

And for the fellow who is confused about TCP/IP:

There are two ways to get a multiplayer game in these newer consoles. Some that support mulitplayer over the internet, and the old-fashioned two-players-on-one-machine like the old days.

One method is over the internet, the typical way, the way that, unfortunately, is most reliable but probably the harder way to do it. This uses TCP/IP natively, which is what PCs use, and has the least chance of desync. The game actually KNOWS that you're playing over the internet and will account for things like slowness on one side. I do gather since the hardware is the same across the board, the games are written to not worry too much about synchronization, though.

The other is the two controllers on one machine. This is what Kaillera does: it tricks the machine into thinking both players are together, yet they're only connected by keystrokes. I've already written a long explanation which can be found on the Kaillera forums as to why this desyncs like mad if anyone wants to know and doesn't.

Wouldn't tcp/ip be eaiser then emulating the actual network connection on the dreamcast?

Are you referring to the Kaillera method? Or am I confusing your hard-to-parse question with a misunderstanding? The games' multiplayer option, such as Xbox Live, is TCP/IP. This difference is the game knows there's a network connection.

[Shadow Lady]

Originally Posted by whatever

MAME will run fine over Kaillera with two people with slow computers; it just won't be a pleasant experience.

yeah but mame is more stable

[liquid]

Originally Posted by Mystiq

MAME will run fine over Kaillera with two people with slow computers; it just won't be a pleasant experience.

This is indeed true, the expirence would be worse with Chankast. Syncing the screen refresh between 2 remote computers is difficult, especially when framerates are inconsistent between the 2 computers.

[Vanit]

liquid: In multiplayer Chankast could probably force a consistency in framerates.

[Mystiq]

Originally Posted by Vanit

liquid: In multiplayer Chankast could probably force a consistency in framerates.

This is the point of frame-rate limiting. However, it's not the end of the solutions.

MAME will run just fine between said slow computers but there will be lots of choppiness and not necessarily any desynchs. So far all the Kaillera implementations force a framerate consistency by putting the input and game logic on the same thread. If there's a delay in the network thread, it hangs the game thus keeping the participating computers locked on the same frame. You all who play on Kaillera note that one slow computer with a bad frame rate makes everyone else run slow.