Chinese therapies and stuff

[MT]

Ok, I am getting sick (literally) of this anxiety/depression thing. I am not having a normal life for about months. Everyday I get something like dizzyness, nausea, cold sweat and trembling muscles, despair and fear. If it's not one thing, it's other.

Then me and my mother were trying to find out some help for me, then we agreed I should try some therapy. We thought of Chinese therapy and those massages, including acupuncturist thing, among others that I dunno the name in english.

My question is, anyone here tried them out? Do they work?

[D.D.]

ive heard some crazy stories about how effective acupuncture is from non-chinese who have tried it. from what ive heard, it really does work.

[Holic]

i think its all psychological

they make u think u are better

as a result you think u r better.

[Player-X]

There is some studies that show it does have a physical effect beyond the placebo effect and for the most part it's safe so go for it.

[D.D.]

i think its all psychological

they make u think u are better

as a result you think u r better.

it could be, or it could not. i havent looked at studies, but i remember there was this big irish man in his 40s whom i used to work with when i worked at Canada's wonder land (a few years back). he had an allergy problem that was quite severe and he ended up going to an acupuncturist thru some friend's recommendation. after one visit, he was cured and hasnt had it since.

[Holic]

how teh hell can poking little needles into your body solve an allergy problem?

Fake acupuncture as good as 'real' ones (http://atheism.about.com/b/a/169142.htm)

[D.D.]

how teh hell can poking little needles into your body solve an allergy problem?

Fake acupuncture as good as 'real' ones (http://atheism.about.com/b/a/169142.htm)

im not an expert nor am i trying to defend acupuncture. im just telling you about what ive heard from a friend. do not mistake me for a mystic or an uneducated individual who believes in fantasy cures. despite my slack use of language, i am more than accustomed to the scientific method and recognize well the importance of it. however, (or shud i say as a result), i am not as blind to take one simple study as a guide to my evaluation of medicine.

if we were to evaluate medicine practices based on simple studies and reports of placebo, the world would be a scary place indeed. however, the same could be said of many biological-related fields, where often one lab done one way would yield different results when done the same way the following week.

[MT]

I dont care if it is science or superstition as long as it helps me.

[Nucking Futs]

If you don't wanna talk about it i'm fine but do you know what causes this stuff? One thing i've learned so far is that it's not the symptoms one has to fight, it's the reasons, and it shouldn't be fighting either. More like understanding it and living with it. For example i've stopped taking headache pills completely after taking them for a long time without thinking about it. At first it was really hard and some days i could have smashed my head through a wall but now i can't even remember when i had a headache last time. Drinking water and relaxing helps a lot and ofcourse trying to check what caused the headache cause it's very often just a stress thing. Yes i know this example might not be very fitting for you but it still is an example.

[MT]

I've got an historic of psychological problems so I easily attribute my actual health state to my mood. I've been in a wave of depression and anxiety, I can't see other reason.

Now going to the root of anxiety and depression, thats pretty hard. It's a chain of factors. Plus some things for me may be not difficulty for you, vice-versa. Pretty much what everyone lives, etc...

And that's why I'm after some therapy. Because sometimes even myself don't know what bothers and saddens me so much.

[Nucking Futs]

I've made a stationary therapy too dude (been heavily on drugs for 8 years). And we've lived in a little community with about 70-80 people. I've had 3 psychologists there and it was about the best time of my life. I would have never thought that one can live with so many lies to oneself... A lot of people tend to have like a certain scheme with wich they cope with certain situations. Like when you can't get a girl you start making bad in your head so your ego doesn't suffer about it. But the root of it would be in that situation why your ego's getting so attached. The own Psyche is something so complex and huge... it's almost scaring. I can't help you but i can assure you that psychologists can do a lot, you just gotta be truthfull to them, and tell them stuff you haven't told anybody else, and stuff you don't think that matter, and everything you remember about your childhood (at least that helped me a lot). And if you succeed in getting to know yourself then the real therapy starts by trying to live the new life, because therapy can mean that afterwards you'll be doing it another way, it can also mean to lose some "friends", therapy is something really serious but imo nothing to be afraid of because you cannot loose, except your old self.

[D.D.]

I've made a stationary therapy too dude (been heavily on drugs for 8 years). And we've lived in a little community with about 70-80 people. I've had 3 psychologists there and it was about the best time of my life. I would have never thought that one can live with so many lies to oneself... A lot of people tend to have like a certain scheme with wich they cope with certain situations. Like when you can't get a girl you start making bad in your head so your ego doesn't suffer about it. But the root of it would be in that situation why your ego's getting so attached. The own Psyche is something so complex and huge... it's almost scaring. I can't help you but i can assure you that psychologists can do a lot, you just gotta be truthfull to them, and tell them stuff you haven't told anybody else, and stuff you don't think that matter, and everything you remember about your childhood (at least that helped me a lot). And if you succeed in getting to know yourself then the real therapy starts by trying to live the new life, because therapy can mean that afterwards you'll be doing it another way, it can also mean to lose some "friends", therapy is something really serious but imo nothing to be afraid of because you cannot loose, except your old self.

interesting indeed. i wish we had a whole separate thread on this, as im very interested in the human psych and ppl's experience :)

[MT]

The own Psyche is something so complex and huge... it's almost scaring. I can't help you but i can assure you that psychologists can do a lot, you just gotta be truthfull to them, and tell them stuff you haven't told anybody else, and stuff you don't think that matter, and everything you remember about your childhood (at least that helped me a lot).
Actually that's pretty much I'm facing. My psyched is VERY messed. About pshychologist, I really should try one. I go to psychiatrics, they help a lot but, using remedies. When I think I can deal with my mind disturbances alone.

And if you succeed in getting to know yourself then the real therapy starts by trying to live the new life, because therapy can mean that afterwards you'll be doing it another way, it can also mean to lose some "friends", therapy is something really serious but imo nothing to be afraid of because you cannot loose, except your old self.
Hmm, therapy. Like group therapy?

[Nucking Futs]

Yeah i made a stationary group therapy with 80 people which lastet 6 months. I had to because i did quite a lot of crap before but i really liked it and used the time as good as possible. I had 3 different kinds of therapy in the week: 1 hour with a single shrink, 2x 1 hour with a shrink and 3 other people (quattro), and 1 x several hours with the whole group.

[Player-X]

Seeing a psychologist would be a good first choice before seeing someone for Chinese therapy, some hospitals offer Chinese medicinal therapy for free, they are usually under "complementary therapy"

[RZetlin]

Have you seen a doctor yet?

If not I recommend you go and see one first.

[Spit_swallower]

I agree that seeing a shrink would be my first choice , My second one would be getting a tattoo of something that makes you happy about yourself , sorta self indulgence one .

[MT]

Have you seen a doctor yet?
I go to psychiatrics and stomach doctor oftenly... and I'll keep my treatment with them. I just wanna try something more natural. =/

Got an appointment with the therapy dude tomorrow. I'll keep you updated.

[Nucking Futs]

I wish you all the best but you always have to keep in mind that just killing a symptom doesn't "kill" the illness.

[MT]

:)

Had my first session today. I liked it a lot so far!

It's not painful or anything. First, the doctor sat and explained to me about the energy that flows through the body, explained everything. Then started an interview with me, about my problems, my habits, etc. I was not ok in that moment, my mouth was dry and I was feeling like i'd have a collapse like anytime. ;P Probably because of the nervosism, the fear of trying something new. Then I had 20 mins of 10 needles attached to different points of my body and some relax music running in the background. Don't need to say that after I got up from the "bed" I was feeling 10 tons lighter. It is really awesome, such a good experience.

[Player-X]

Glad to hear that it's working.

[D.D.]

i have heard that theres no pain as well. but isnt there at least a little? is there blood as well?

[Player-X]

If done right there is no bleeding nor pain whatsoever, it's almost like there is no needle.

[MT]

Indeed, the only point where you may feel some discomfort is on the foot. And no bleeding at all. :)