New Question I had my pc wiped clean...

[Bubbafat]

Ok so i completetly wiped out my hdd and i installed drivers and xp and i had psx completely working full speed and now it wont work:angry: . And i just baught 2 games i want to play with it that should work but when i start psx even after reinstalling (unziping) it it still says same prob. I will type all out im on different pc so no screenshot(and idk how 2:emb:) but yea the title starts:

b0rken
Unhandled exception. Save crash dump?
Yes No

But yea after that it closes. PLZ help is wanted. Oh and a quick question,If i have some psx disks and iso's on my pc and a cd gets broken can i still have the isos (want to make it legal) cause my neise broke a couple and i still have the isos.

[hushypushy]

last question first: technically no, you aren't allowed to have those ISOs. that's why you make the backups, so you can play/use those while you hide the originals away in storage. so, it is illegal. i'd still give you emulator help, but there's the constant caveat that it could be your game. so proceed with caution.

screenshot is printscreen, by the way. paste that into any image editor and save it.

do you have a BIOS in the BIOS folder? just checking.

[GaveUpTomorrow]

If he made the ISOs from his original cds, and then his disks were broken, that would technically be a copy of his original disk and therefore the same as a backup. So that seems perfectly legal to me.
(of course that means he would have backed up the isos before the wipeout?, and that they aren't just downloaded).

[hushypushy]

it is only legal to have a backup of something you own. the point of that whole DMCA thing is, like i said, so that you make the backup(s) and keep the original in safekeeping so it doesn't get destroyed. not to make backups in case your original gets destroyed.

[GaveUpTomorrow]

That still makes no sense in either case. I'm not saying that I don't believe what you said, but having the original disk still on hand should still constitute "owning" the game, as he would have bought and paid for it. Just because something breaks, doesn't mean you do not own it, right? Digital media just has too many weird laws. :p Laws are funny things sometimes, and I really don't agree with many of them put into effect (especially regarding copying games). Either way, laws are laws, and we have to follow them....well people should anyways.

[hushypushy]

Just because something breaks, doesn't mean you do not own it, right?

yes, it does. if you accidently break a CD in your computer (i actually did that once with a driver CD), then you no longer own the music on that CD. same with games. you bought ONE copy of whatever game, not every copy in the universe. once you destroy it, it's gone.

it works that way for everything else in the world, believe it or not. let's say you decide to go outside and blow up your car. well, it's not driveable anymore is it? would you expect a new car for free? nope, you bought ONE car and that's it.

[GaveUpTomorrow]

it works that way for everything else in the world, believe it or not. let's say you decide to go outside and blow up your car. well, it's not driveable anymore is it? would you expect a new car for free? nope, you bought ONE car and that's it.

Nope, but cars can't just replicate themselves either :p Jk

It isn't something that I need to worry about anyways, as I take very good care of my cds. And like I said, I completely understand what you're saying, I just don't agree with the fact that it should be illegal if you made a copy. Doesn't matter what I think though, as you're not going to go kill someone, and go in front of the judge and be let off because you tell him "Oh it doesn't matter anyways, I don't feel I did anything wrong."

By the way, do you know of a site with all the legal jargon of CD/game ownership rights (relating to this and anything else). I was searching quickly, but didn't find anything. People need to be more informed about these kinds of things.

[hushypushy]

look up the DMCA (digital millenium copyright act). it's kinda crappy but what can you do. the key thing is that it lets you have infinite backups of something that you already own, if it's for your own use.

[GaveUpTomorrow]

Thanks, I am always looking at expanding my knowledge about technology whenever I can. I'm studying to be an engineer, so anything technical/math related interests me.

[Bubbafat]

Yes i do have a bios in the folder(came of my ps1) Scph1001 and suprisingly i got 2 of my playstation i got the scph1001 and 1075 i think it was. I think it was modded or something like that. But when i reinstall the emulator come up says needs bios and it is same exact bios i used before(saved to spare hdd) And it goes and i give it the bios and same problem comes up. I dont know why but it keeps messing up. It's like all emus that didnt work before(Saturn,dreamcast) work now and ones that did dont now.:cry:

[I-Chan]

look up the DMCA (digital millenium copyright act). it's kinda crappy but what can you do. the key thing is that it lets you have infinite backups of something that you already own, if it's for your own use.
If it's only about the DMCA, it would apply only to members posting from the USA. The point of owning the original media is that it is, at the same time, your license to use it's content. While you keep your legally acquired license, you can use its content. Once you give it away, you have no longer a valid license to use it. That would mean that even if the CD doesn't work right now, if you keep it, you can use the backup copy. Of course, as you pointed before, there's no guarantee that the backup is 100% correct, so it might be the source of user's problems anyway.

[hushypushy]

Bubbafat: i have no idea. i really don't. you might wanna try the pSX forum just in case.

I-Chan: yeah, you're right. i have no idea what the laws for other countries are. but personally, i work on the practical side of things. technically it's illegal to emulate if you've never owned a Playstation, since you would've never been able to dump a BIOS (and thus you downloaded one...or reverse engineered it). but when someone makes a thread that says "i dont own a PSX so i need to use ePSXe", i let them slide. it's hard to get a corrupted PSX BIOS, and it's kind of a "don't ask don't tell" type policy. if they mention straight up that they downloaded it then it's a different story. but with ISOs, it makes a big deal whether you downloaded it or bought the game. so if they don't own it/have never owned it, it's trouble. even if they ripped it then sold it/lost it/destroyed it...the rip could've been bad, etc. it's always nice to have a backup of your backups ;)

[I-Chan]

I can see your point pal, sure it's a PITA when debugging some user problems and in the end you find it was a bad ISO all the way.

[Bubbafat]

I figured out the problem with the playstation emus. I tried epsxe last night and it said couldnt load direct sound so i reinstall snd drivers and bam it worked.If ppl have this prob just wanted to let people know:thumb:

[hushypushy]

I can see your point pal, sure it's a PITA when debugging some user problems and in the end you find it was a bad ISO all the way.

which has actually happened to me a few times. now, i throw that disclaimer in all the time. "yes it's illegal but the quality of these ISOs is bad too.." because it's true, i've had to deal with that a lot.

[blahshigg]

look up the DMCA (digital millenium copyright act). it's kinda crappy but what can you do. the key thing is that it lets you have infinite backups of something that you already own, if it's for your own use.

Not precisely true. You're talking about fair use, which is a part of US copyright law. The point of the DMCA is not to protect fair use, but to restrict it by outlawing breaking encryption.

By the way, if you break your original, you can use the backup. That's the POINT of the backup -- if something happens to your original, you still have the data stored somewhere else. When you buy a CD, or a game, or a movie, or whatever, you are not just buying a plastic disc. You are buying one license to that data. Fair use laws permit you to make personal backups of that data, which you can use if your original fails, or in lieu of the original. The only caveat is if backing up requires breaking encryption, you are then violating the DMCA. This is why it is technically illegal to make personal backups of DVDs in the US.

If you want to learn more about copyright law, just read the laws.