planeing a new emulator

[hunyeti]

HI!
if you intrseted to help to make an xbox emulátor please replay!!!
i need alll help what i can get!

[refraction]

Im not here to join, but i wanted to ask a couple of questions, which may encourage others for you.

what programming experience have you got?
have you made any emulators in the past?

i think these 2 questions are essential, an XBox emulator will not be a small or easy project, so expect some hard times ahead.

otherwise, good luck :)

[hunyeti]

hi!
i dont have high programmer sikk, im just learning.
i posted this becouse a read many things about xbox.
i ony call this an "emulator", the real thing is that i want to make some kind of software like vitrual pc 2004, becouse the same hardware.
a think will talk about an emulator if we got 10ghz cpus.
pcsx 2 is needs mmore than 10x of power than the original hardware.

(sorry for my bad english)

[@ruantec]

PCSX 2 needs so much power because isn´t complete at all there are many things that need to be done,emulated,corrected and optimize it before you can see some speeds.

Greetz

[refraction]

PCSX 2 needs so much power because isn´t complete at all there are many things that need to be done,emulated,corrected and optimize it before you can see some speeds.

Greetz

that plus the fact altho PC technology is newer than the PS2, the bandwidth required is still a lot lower, which sucks :P even my L2 cache cant transfer as fast as the PS2 gets its information around the system, and my L2 is doing 20gb/sec!

[hunyeti]

wow. this is fast :D
by the why, i dont know what is the secret of chankast becouse, this result under 3 months is amezing. but that is not open source :(

[Master Chief]

All I can say is, good luck man! I really hope to see an emulator run Halo 2 in the future.

These links may be of help:

XBE File documentation (by Caustik) http://www.caustik.com/cxbx/download/xbe.htm

Xbox-Scene
http://www.xbox-scene.com

However, if you are just learning programming, your in for a ride. But hey, I'd love to play Halo 2 on my computer, I wish you good luck!

Oh, refraction - quick question. If you ever got sick of PCSX2, would you work on CXBX?

[refraction]

Oh, refraction - quick question. If you ever got sick of PCSX2, would you work on CXBX?

I doubt it. As much as i respect what Caustick is doing, i see the project as quite pointless as its just a PC in a box, so it kind of defeats the point in emulation :)

[flowrent]

So if Xbox is just a PC in a black box, how much power would it require for a PC to emulate it...2 times ,5 times ,10 times the Xbox CPU power ?

[magiceyes118]

then wouldn't it be eaiser to emulate, i am surprised there isn;t anymore xbox emus being developed but wat i understand about the emulation community now is that most emus r underground now,iknow theresinfact a new dcemu and model 3 emu for private peeps

[Elnightmare]

hey are these emulater legal?
I've used them but i dont no if there legal are they?

[refraction]

hey are these emulater legal?
I've used them but i dont no if there legal are they?

emulators are legal, altho it is a "grey area" there is no strong evidence to suggest they should be illegal

[flowrent]

Refraction,what is your opinion on my question above?

[refraction]

sorry i didnt see it.

erm, well there is Still some aspects of emulation involved, as we still have to emulate how the hardware interacts even if it is possible to use HLE, but i cant see it being more than 3-4 times the power at very most with optimised code.

[@ruantec]

Emulate the xbox hardware isn´t a big task but there´s a problem... the "GPU!" as far as i know(Correct me if am wrong) current xbox emus convert the .xbe into .exe to execute the game,app etc. they emulate some part of the xbox but i think they are trying to convert the .xbe to .exe instead of emulating the xbox environment.
of course converting the .xbe will give you some results but that will not work at all. and the reason is because the gpu architecture is diferent.....so it needs to be Emulated.

[Dave_utopias]

To emulate the xbox , we must waiting for microsoft don't say anything about this project ;
Now with the news console of next generations ("xbox 360") you can also play your xbox game to this new console , so I think (only my opinion) wich before you can emulate thats driver or hardware you must wait for exspired her old console (and also this new one because it can emulate the old gamers) , so Only then you can thinking to make the emulator.

[Chrono Archangel]

Dave...from what i can understand from your poorly written english, you want them to wait till the x360 is out and that the xbox is "dead" before making an emu?

thats just nonsense. i know you just want to look pro-buying consoles and games but honestly its just ridiculous. Especially since Xbox games are on DVDs, its possible for people to buy their games and play them directly with an emulator without going through a ripping process...

and just to add a useless comment, you could be actually doing them a favor since IINM, Microsoft loses money on every console they sell (maybe not any more, im not sure). buying the games is whats really helping the companies.
meh..

[flowrent]

Microsoft might just put an Xbox1 emu in the upcoming Windows Vista,there was a rumour about that some months ago :)
People would play some Xbox hits on their PC and say hey this Xbox thing is cool (although it's not :P) ..how about me go buy Xbox 360 ? Microsoft can only win from this.

But even if that doesnt happen the box is going down..sooner or later.I only wish it was sooner that PS2 and GC because i am dying to play some fighting games on my PC.And i guess there's millions like me.

[General Plot]

Microsoft might just put an Xbox1 emu in the upcoming Windows Vista,there was a rumour about that some months ago :)
People would play some Xbox hits on their PC and say hey this Xbox thing is cool (although it's not :P) ..how about me go buy Xbox 360 ? Microsoft can only win from this.

But even if that doesnt happen the box is going down..sooner or later.I only wish it was sooner that PS2 and GC because i am dying to play some fighting games on my PC.And i guess there's millions like me.
And how would this work? A standard DVD-ROM can't read original XBOX games.;)

[Chrono Archangel]

And how would this work? A standard DVD-ROM can't read original XBOX games.;)

they cant?..dammit, there goes my theory down the drain :heh:

[flowrent]

Maybe they can make a firmware patch for the dvd units ? Is it possible ?

[Vanit]

The code on Xbox games is on a DVD, however its written backwards. You will find if you put an Xbox game in your DVD player a menu will come up saying you can only play Xbox games in an Xbox :).

[Cid Highwind]

Kinda like the secret evil messages in Michael Jackson songs when played backwards?:evil:

@ Hunyeti: I think that chankast has been able to progress so quickly because of a skilled team, but also because the Dreamcast is an easier and more accessible console than any other consoles of its generation. That, and the fact that it's less powerfull. :)

[Master Chief]

Maybe they can make a firmware patch for the dvd units ? Is it possible ?

Yes, there is a firmware patch out. Hell, I don't think you even need it though. You can dump data from your Xbox 360 discs now by hotswapping them out of the drive! Who says you can't do the same with Xbox 1 discs?

[Vanit]

Who says you can't do the same with Xbox 1 discs?Everyone probably.

And I do have one question of my own. Why is it that the Xbox emulators don't need a bios to run? All consoles that interface with a disc need software to read the disc don't they?

[refraction]

i think xbox emus do the bios functions by HLE as the XBox is basically a PC so its functions will be simular to a PC rather than containing any sort of an OS like say a PS2 or DC which have a menu system. So i imagine most things can be sorted out at a high level or may not be required, altho im not totally sure.

[magiceyes118]

shouldn't this section now be deleted? i doubt he will ever release another verson maybe something happened to him but ithink its time to ut any emus which r dead to delete their section?

[flowrent]

Lol... no.
Ngemu says : Current status: Alive and kicking! .
And the author didn't make a statement he quit the project so it's still alive.
Xbox is theoretically easier to emulate than PS2 or GC so there's always hope.

[Vanit]

That comment is really like saying Mars is easier to get to than Jupiter. Its a valid statement, but by no means is the first that easy to do.

Writing any emulator for any system takes a lot of work.

[flowrent]

It is easier to get to Mars..lol .We'll get there .
But meanwhile i see Ps2 is headed for Jupiter and Gamecube for Uranus ..and Xbox is having trouble taking off although it could have been at half way by now.
I doubt Xbox is not interesting to people with skills,being so similar to a pc is an extra motivation to go for it but instead we're wondering here whether to close the Xbox thread or not :(

[refraction]

It is easier to get to Mars..lol .We'll get there .
But meanwhile i see Ps2 is headed for Jupiter and Gamecube for Uranus ..and Xbox is having trouble taking off although it could have been at half way by now.
I doubt Xbox is not interesting to people with skills,being so similar to a pc is an extra motivation to go for it but instead we're wondering here whether to close the Xbox thread or not :(

to be honest i think gamecube emulation is much further on than PS2 emulation, for a start there are a lot more emus about for GC than PS2, because people have found it an easier task (altho by all means not easy). I dont see much future in XBox emulation, altho you never know, we might get a suprise one day.

[magiceyes118]

lets hope becasue the source is there, i am sure someone is probably doing one in private for his/her final year project

[Master Chief]

lets hope becasue the source is there, i am sure someone is probably doing one in private for his/her final year project

The source has been sitting there for several years. No one has touched it. What suprises me is the fact that his entire team disbanded and left. No statement, nutin. Nothing at all. I don't know if we'll ever get a suprise. Something tells me that now that we can acsess the Xbox 360 hard drive, someone is going to reverse engineer the xbox emulator on it and learn from it. Then there gonna write their own from scratch.

[robman10e]

The source has been sitting there for several years. No one has touched it. What suprises me is the fact that his entire team disbanded and left. No statement, nutin. Nothing at all. I don't know if we'll ever get a suprise. Something tells me that now that we can acsess the Xbox 360 hard drive, someone is going to reverse engineer the xbox emulator on it and learn from it. Then there gonna write their own from scratch.
yea, is this project like dead or something? on the homepage the news that is posted (2 posts ><) is from 2 years ago. has the team dediced to give up the project? maybe due to 360? that sux ><, but oh well I suppose. I hope they continue it.

[shadow_tj]

hope you don`t smoke and drink alcohol..

before you finist with coding the emulator you have lung cancer or are very drunk...

Caustik is a very good kernel hacker.. and has made great progress..
but if you starting a xbox emu with no experiance in emulation... i wish you good luck.

greetings Shadow_tj

[leo9986754]

I think that emulation could die from this point on, because if you read about upcoming/current consoles, they give out hecka new/cool features that I don't think anyone can copy. Either that or emulation might have to start again in the very bottom with handhelds until someone who has no life and hecka time and is married to his computer would he bring back emulation. On a side note, is there any female emulator creater...decoder...coder...person??

[Master Chief]

I think that emulation could die from this point on, because if you read about upcoming/current consoles, they give out hecka new/cool features that I don't think anyone can copy. Either that or emulation might have to start again in the very bottom with handhelds until someone who has no life and hecka time and is married to his computer would he bring back emulation. On a side note, is there any female emulator creater...decoder...coder...person??

A heck of new features...hmm. That means something right there. You see, when a company rushes a console out the door with new features (Microsoft and the Xbox 360) there are bound to make mistakes, and the box full of bugs. On a side note, there is always somebody out there up for the challenge.

[flowrent]

Not even Microsoft can do it right !
For example ,Forza Motorsport running on Xbox 360 ...is like Pcsx2 on PC now ..extremely slow .

[leo9986754]

I know some people who goes to after school programs that teaches them anything about computers from computer language to networking to anything you name it. And I think that we should convince those after school programs to give their students a Emulation Projct as their final or something and have them make like a PS2 or XBox emulator. Also for like Advance Computer classes.

[flowrent]

Come on..that is not going to happen .
Kids have other lots of useful stuff to learn about computers,things useful for their career,while emulation comes from a passion beyond logic ,therefore it is only for the "chosen" .
No leacher(teacher sorry:D ) will teach his class emulation unless he is pasionate about it .
It's one of the most difficult tasks in programming ,look how even Microsoft..having all the possible info they need,still couldn't do a decent emulator .

[leo9986754]

It's one of the most difficult tasks in programming ,look how even Microsoft..having all the possible info they need,still couldn't do a decent emulator .

Well cuz Microsoft are hecka busy with Vista, Office Live, drinking bomb chocolate milks, Windows Media PLayer 11, new softwares, playing Halo 2, you know you get the general idea.

[Master Chief]

Come on..that is not going to happen .
Kids have other lots of useful stuff to learn about computers,things useful for their career,while emulation comes from a passion beyond logic ,therefore it is only for the "chosen" .
To leacher(teacher sorry:D ) will teach his class emulation unless he is pasionate about it .
It's one of the most difficult tasks in programming ,look how even Microsoft..having all the possible info they need,still couldn't do a decent emulator .

Honestly, I believe the reason the Xbox emulator on the 360 isn't that great is because:

1. It's a different software emulator for each game
2. They are more concerned with Xbox 360 games, not playing original Xbox games
3. They are working the bugs out

It does it's job, and as long as people can play Halo / Halo 2 that's all people care about.

[star-scream]

they cant?..dammit, there goes my theory down the drain :heh:
i bet it can, try flipping the ribbon on some cheapo dvd reader and see what happens...

[RainMotorsports]

Ive been programming ASM and Modern Object Pascal for 7 years and I can tell you an emulator is no easy task. Now while you may be determined to do it and also upset people arent as supportive.

Try emulating and forgive me for back to basics a Chip 8 Emulator it takes an experienced emu author about an hour to make about a day to get it fully working and the instruction set is a page long.

If your gonna be writing an XBOX emulator in VB its a task i wouldnt even use for Pascal although it could be done. No matter how confident you are your first 100 programs probly wont even be emulator related (except the hello world program that you made with the xbox logo on it).

Good luck and if you ever grab 3 grand for a copy of delphi 9 and learn pascal let me know i can help you port code to power pc/mac os X and a few distros of linux.

[RainMotorsports]

Everyone probably.

And I do have one question of my own. Why is it that the Xbox emulators don't need a bios to run? All consoles that interface with a disc need software to read the disc don't they?

Techincly the XBOX bios is about 90% pc bios!

[star-scream]

Techincly the XBOX bios is about 90% pc bios!

there's a Xbox bios tool, if you know something about bios' and are willing to test it out on a pc... you could technically make your own pc into a hot rod Xbox, and any pc game where the source code has been released can be ported to the Xbox as well. What would be the point you ask if it’s already a pc game? The Xbox can run a game better and faster than a lot of high end pc's, so imagine if you had an even faster Xbox with customizable hardware... now instead of a video card equivalent to a geforce 3, you can now have a radeon x800 running fully optimized on your pcxbox

Not to say that my idea is completely valid, but if you think you can do it here are a few more ideas:

If you're worried about the DVD drive, there are power adaptors for the one that comes in the Xbox. For example the power supply in the Xbox is quite different from that of a normal DVD drive, but can be fixed by a trip down to a computer store. Once you have that complete, the Xbox controllers are actually USB ports, so all you'd have to do is rebuild that little plastic thing that attaches them to the motherboard. Finally, you'll have to get the Xbox bios with a mod chip. I used the xenium ice to backup my bios. I know some out there doubt you could run your computer like an Xbox, but the Xbox IS a pc... you can run windows on it... I do ;)

So think rebuilding the bios... check this out http://xbox-scene.com/tools/tools.php?page=bios#newsitemEpukFpppFyUAcKwoNZ

a lot of it depends on how large your pc's bios chip is as well, you'll be adding and taking things away so it's hard to tell how big it will be in fact that will determine whether or not you can make a pcxbox or not. These are all just baby steps... I’m sure there's A LOT more work involved then just a bios flash... but it is possible


Anyone else have some ideas?

[RainMotorsports]

The Games for XBOX where coded to run on the xbox hardware only (althought it could be ported to other systems).

WHat you must understand is PC games have to run a mass variety of hardware and must be made very flexible, maximum quality is sometimes affected but quality depends on the system.

When you code for specific hardware you can take advantage of an exacting situation and not worry about compatability. Which is why it would appear that xbox would be better then the equivalent PC.

Buy and i know these specs are minorly outdated and a little in my head from the release

90% PC based BIOS
64MB of ram (128 has been run on hacked linux XBOX's)
733Mhz Pentium 3 (370 pin chip)
I forget what the GPU is.

Now numero uno why a system with this config wouldnt run a game ported from an XBOX to nativley run on windows.....

Windows itself is holding the system back. The XBOX doesnt have a full OS riding ontop of it this really drains resources and alot ius running that is not needed to run the game.

two the PC version made more flexible. Second a PC version can be written to render better then the xbox if the hardware is avliable....

Hope you understand this better but Mathmateicly the 128 bit 300mhz PS2 core was faster, but the ram and the gpu among other things held it back alittle in showing its colors outside of math in linux.


and news flash heres where the 90% PC problem comes in, only windows CE and Linux have really been ported to this unit windows XP and 2000 dont run, the kernel would have to be recompiled, which could be done if we had the source or if microsoft wanted to take up the task...... not! or be run in an fastrack x86 emu that emulates the missing hardware or incompatible hardware.



One more .... all the chipsets would have to be the same in order to load the bios onto a flashable pc bios, there are too many differences even if you managed to have a socket 370 board with the correct i440x or other chipset and same bridge processors, it wouldnt work and youd end up with a dead board that beeps when you boot it.

[hunyeti]

hi!
i1v learn much about emulution, since i'v posted first.
i have got some ideas to start programming,
the first thing is that this is almost impassible on windows, so we have to make a linux based os... maybe, or winCE.
so...i am going foward whit this emulator... but it will take min. 1 years to start writeing the emulator... if i can get any help.
by my calculations the x-box emulator will run att full speed on this computer:
intel p4 2.2 ghz, 512mb ram(maybe 1gb is req.), 8x dvd rom. so you don't need to get a 7.0 ghz cpu...
i think i will relse this emulator for Playstation 3... and if it works, to pc.

*sorry for my bad english

[Master Chief]

hi!
i1v learn much about emulution, since i'v posted first.
i have got some ideas to start programming,
the first thing is that this is almost impassible on windows, so we have to make a linux based os... maybe, or winCE.
so...i am going foward whit this emulator... but it will take min. 1 years to start writeing the emulator... if i can get any help.
by my calculations the x-box emulator will run att full speed on this computer:
intel p4 2.2 ghz, 512mb ram(maybe 1gb is req.), 8x dvd rom. so you don't need to get a 7.0 ghz cpu...
i think i will relse this emulator for Playstation 3... and if it works, to pc.

*sorry for my bad english

What do you mean it isn't possible on Windows? CXBX runs on Windows! Or are you referring to the above few posts. Well, I've thought of that before to, but it is a long shot. It isn't exactly all PC hardware. The GPU is a little different, and this has always been a topic of Xbox-Windows. It could be possible.

Well, anyways, good luck to everyone attempting this task of Xbox emulating! I don't care what operating system it runs on, as long as there's a Windows port!

[peter_poiuyt]

edited: xbox dvd can't be read on pc dvd rom?

also, i agree that the people making emus are doing it for the love of it, and have their own lives, but, didn't microsoft buy hotmail? maybe that is another reason why xbox cannot be emulated so easily, besides the technical factors...

[RainMotorsports]

wow thats one way to get a thread locked

[star-scream]

The Games for XBOX where coded to run on the xbox hardware only (althought it could be ported to other systems).

WHat you must understand is PC games have to run a mass variety of hardware and must be made very flexible, maximum quality is sometimes affected but quality depends on the system.

When you code for specific hardware you can take advantage of an exacting situation and not worry about compatability. Which is why it would appear that xbox would be better then the equivalent PC.

Buy and i know these specs are minorly outdated and a little in my head from the release

90% PC based BIOS
64MB of ram (128 has been run on hacked linux XBOX's)
733Mhz Pentium 3 (370 pin chip)
I forget what the GPU is.

Now numero uno why a system with this config wouldnt run a game ported from an XBOX to nativley run on windows.....

Windows itself is holding the system back. The XBOX doesnt have a full OS riding ontop of it this really drains resources and alot ius running that is not needed to run the game.

two the PC version made more flexible. Second a PC version can be written to render better then the xbox if the hardware is avliable....

Hope you understand this better but Mathmateicly the 128 bit 300mhz PS2 core was faster, but the ram and the gpu among other things held it back alittle in showing its colors outside of math in linux.


and news flash heres where the 90% PC problem comes in, only windows CE and Linux have really been ported to this unit windows XP and 2000 dont run, the kernel would have to be recompiled, which could be done if we had the source or if microsoft wanted to take up the task...... not! or be run in an fastrack x86 emu that emulates the missing hardware or incompatible hardware.



One more .... all the chipsets would have to be the same in order to load the bios onto a flashable pc bios, there are too many differences even if you managed to have a socket 370 board with the correct i440x or other chipset and same bridge processors, it wouldnt work and youd end up with a dead board that beeps when you boot it.

So there's really no point in making a pcxbox. I haven't used much of Linux, but I heard it works a lot faster than windows... would a port from a windows game to Linux run faster? I mean the game is still as you said programmed to be flexible using the hardware that is available to it... In that light, wouldn't make more sense to go with hunyeti said about making the emu for Linux?


xbox dvd can't be read on pc dvd rom? so why did i find a pirated game of xbox? no i did not buy it(i have no xbox) and i am not pro piracy, just curious. is it possible that somebody copied the game in an xbox, then the xbox having a hard disk, burned it from that?

also, i agree that the people making emus are doing it for the love of it, and have their own lives, but, didn't microsoft buy hotmail? maybe that is another reason why xbox cannot be emulated so easily, besides the technical factors...

they ripped the game with a modded Xbox, then when someone downloads the game they can burn it straight to a DVD or upload it to their modded Xbox... So the DVD-ROM reads game DVD’s backwards unless the Xbox is modded. The whole point of this thread isn't pirating though... it's about playing retail Xbox games on pc's

[RainMotorsports]

Linux is extremly flexible and can be setup to not use so much resource that it stifles the game or application its intending to run, it can also be setup to preload everything into ram slowing down anything no preloaded. SO it can go both ways, There is no one linux there are many distrobutions and may graphical environments. You are probly used to windows and would even have trouble installing linux that wasnt already precompiled.

Strick to what you know for now and tell me do you have a compiler for linux? if your writiing in C or C++ then GCC and others are free but still.

SUSE, Madravia, Gentoo a few other linux's can be gotten free and can rune eiother KDE or Gnome graphical environments, if your an experienced pc user then maybe this will clear something youll run into think of Linux as a really nice DOS lol and think of kde or gnome like a windows that runs on a program called xserver

WHile an install of SUSE is graphical and takes 25-45 minutes much like an XP install it wont teach you much... but it wil get you using linux. Now if your using a network adapter like a wirless 802.11g card that you dont have a linux driver for you might get frustrated setting it up. NDIS wrapper will let u use the windows driver. ALot of onboard lan chipsets are readily supported.


ALthough games like doom 3 have been emulated and even native versions released Linux isnt exactly a native 3d platform, a few years ago it was consider experimental but OpenGL is readily avaliable and ive seen wonderful games on linux.

[star-scream]

Linux is extremly flexible and can be setup to not use so much resource that it stifles the game or application its intending to run, it can also be setup to preload everything into ram slowing down anything no preloaded. SO it can go both ways, There is no one linux there are many distrobutions and may graphical environments. You are probly used to windows and would even have trouble installing linux that wasnt already precompiled.

Strick to what you know for now and tell me do you have a compiler for linux? if your writiing in C or C++ then GCC and others are free but still.

SUSE, Madravia, Gentoo a few other linux's can be gotten free and can rune eiother KDE or Gnome graphical environments, if your an experienced pc user then maybe this will clear something youll run into think of Linux as a really nice DOS lol and think of kde or gnome like a windows that runs on a program called xserver

WHile an install of SUSE is graphical and takes 25-45 minutes much like an XP install it wont teach you much... but it wil get you using linux. Now if your using a network adapter like a wirless 802.11g card that you dont have a linux driver for you might get frustrated setting it up. NDIS wrapper will let u use the windows driver. ALot of onboard lan chipsets are readily supported.


ALthough games like doom 3 have been emulated and even native versions released Linux isnt exactly a native 3d platform, a few years ago it was consider experimental but OpenGL is readily avaliable and ive seen wonderful games on linux.


so if i were to port anything the graphical linux isn't going to much better than xp? What if i were to by chance get ahold of xp source code? Say strip it down to a minimum... wouldn't that be similar to the way an xbox runs? The hardware is different yes but it's still windows and it should still run games better than the full windows right?

I understand the difference between the linux distro's you're talking about. i've used fedora core for about a week and i decided it was pointless since it was any faster than windows. My point is, is say i were to start porting games to a text based linux... would it run equal to or faster than say a barebones windows xp?

ps i'm talking about pc games now not xbox

[RainMotorsports]

Well there is a program that can help strip down 98 2000 and XP of uncessary things, but youll not get ahold of the source code and if u did not only are you now GOD, if you distribute it your gonna be one jailed broke MF, remember me before you get caught!

A basic Linux Install just command prompt, take that install X server which is the basis for the graphical environment, add the gtk widget package ive seen an snes emulater run on it, you cant do graphics without a graphic server but you can use X server without kde or gnome.

Fedora Core is the trash bin of Red Hat its free but its a stable testing environment for Red Hat, its decent and probly the only thing faster would be a 3 day long gentoo full compile install!

[star-scream]

Well there is a program that can help strip down 98 2000 and XP of uncessary things, but youll not get ahold of the source code and if u did not only are you now GOD, if you distribute it your gonna be one jailed broke MF, remember me before you get caught!

A basic Linux Install just command prompt, take that install X server which is the basis for the graphical environment, add the gtk widget package ive seen an snes emulater run on it, you cant do graphics without a graphic server but you can use X server without kde or gnome.

Fedora Core is the trash bin of Red Hat its free but its a stable testing environment for Red Hat, its decent and probly the only thing faster would be a 3 day long gentoo full compile install!

why don't we talk about if i have the source code or not over instant messenger or irc??

AIM: faat maajik
irc: irc.1andallIRC.net::#starscream

[RainMotorsports]

Heh no thanks and yeah i did say a bit much, anyways yes linux can definatly run a graphical only environent very stripoped down whats the point your average users not gonna set up like that although, linux can also be configured to run in different "states" hell init 3 and load up only xserver upon return to init 6

[star-scream]

Heh no thanks and yeah i did say a bit much, anyways yes linux can definatly run a graphical only environent very stripoped down whats the point your average users not gonna set up like that although, linux can also be configured to run in different "states" hell init 3 and load up only xserver upon return to init 6
yeah i don't want to get arrested ;)

so there are different states you can load up? i don't have to wait 3 days to load up a different state do i?

my original point was, if i had a stripped down xp would it run about the same (of course a little less) than linux? i would rather recompile the xp script once rather than every game i want to play...

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i get what you're saying though, if i were to make something for linux nobody would want to use it since it's not graphical, that's why i want to use a really bare version of some kind of graphical os... if it comes down to me just using a very simple xp... it won't be for everyone if you get what i mean :( plus it would take a while for people to port their games to it... if they even want to take the time to...

[RainMotorsports]

Well the 3 day comment was, and is because gentoo can be custom compiled onto a system and it can take awhile.

There are certain intialization scripts for linux init 3 usually is loaded when you dont want the graphical environment to load, this is useful for a misconfigured driver you can change the settings and switch back to the graphical environment init 6.


SHould be able to write different scripts kinda like older windows with autoexec.bat but im not that into it dunno

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what were the programs you were talking about that strip down xp anyways?

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Well the 3 day comment was, and is because gentoo can be custom compiled onto a system and it can take awhile.

There are certain intialization scripts for linux init 3 usually is loaded when you dont want the graphical environment to load, this is useful for a misconfigured driver you can change the settings and switch back to the graphical environment init 6.


SHould be able to write different scripts kinda like older windows with autoexec.bat but im not that into it dunno
that's convinient, you also said it has a lot of drivers for different onboard chipsets etc?

[RainMotorsports]

Alot of the Lan chipsets that XP would of cours ehave drivers for Linux usually does to and by that either the distro or built in kernel modules. I have a Linksys Netgear 54G 802.11G wirless adapter and I cant really find a working driver for linux my motherboards ethernet or lan port works just fine but with the router on the otherside of the condo i have a little problem.

One soultuion is NDISwrapper allows you to use and configure a windows network card driver under linux but it is howeevr frustrating.

Most of my hardware DVD burners, printers, cameras, eevrythign except my video input card worked under SUSE 10



Oh and as far as running Linux on an XBOX not what what we were discussing but anyways you can slder 2 extra ram chips on double the ram to 128, you have to mod the xbox to run linux though and cant use a driver larger then 137 gigs just an xbox hardware limit. The softmod allows u to bypass xbox live to run linux but theirs a more permenant hardware hack that permanantly kills xbox live on the xbox. This said i have an x86 emulator i use both on linux and windows that could probly be run ontop of the linux install on the xbox to run windows but it would be slower, anyways just thoughts

[peter_poiuyt]

just curious. like i said i don't own an xbox, but i'm curious if any 2nd generation console can be emulated at all, so i started reading, and happened to find some info that piqued my interest.

i'm was actually more concerned about the 2nd line of my previous post, but it seems no one got my "drift"

i'd be happy to delete or edit my first post though.