AMD processors burned to a crisp

[Xeven]

Check this article out...

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q3/010917/index.html

Man, it seems we have to be careful with AMD processors and they're heatsinks or else they'll look like these (no probs for the P3 and P4 dudes/dudettes):

SSSMOOOKKIN!!! dont 4get to watch the vid.:D

[Demigod]

The AMD K7 processors (including Duron) have always ran hotter than the Intel processors. Plus they had ineffecient cooling solutions(on the original Athlons there were visible gaps between the cache heatsinks and the cache chips).

[Phuzzi]

The p4 clock throttling method when heat is excessive is indeed impressive, and it's obvious AMD's solution to prevent their chips cooking with a thermal diode in the palomino core cannot cope with complete heatsink loss. It can cope with more gradual heat buildup, in the case of a fan failing though.

But then, if you can't fit a heatsink properly you shouldn't be attempting to do it in the first place. The other conceivable cause of complete heatsink loss would be the plastic lugs snapping off the socket, which is quite rare unless you have a heavy copper cooler fitted. In which case, you'd know about it and be careful not to move the case around much without removing it.

[Phuzzi]

I made the above post before reading the article, but i had seen the video. The article pretty much repeats exactly what i said though.

[Xeven]

Yeah Burn Baby Burn!:D

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Relax, rest easy, its officially dead:) :D :emb:

[Phuzzi]

Athlon 700's are dirt cheap anyway. Now, if you had demolished an Athlon 1.4..

[Xeven]

umm, i dont have any money:(

[404]

The person who test this AMD bun, I bet a complete MORON.

The same thing goes to Intel Processor.

Let say If you overclock an Intel Pentium 3 500 to 1GHz with the standard heatsink+fan from the package and run Prime95 for 10 hours...

That Intel would sure go to Hell too.

this AMD Burn thingy is too OLD. Today AMD Users are more wise treating their overcloked/not overclocked AMD processors. with good Cooleing system (specially Water Cooling).

I hink this is just a Marketing strategies, to convince newbies outthere, to buy Intel.

Intel fools people to buy slow Processors, with loads of bucks. They afraid losing Market. that's about it.
It's all about dirty marketing.

[Xeven]

I dunno bout that 404, i think doctor tom has always tried to be very fair in his reviews:D

I dont think they are marketing strategies either, it just shows that AMD could do better in providing better thermal protection for their CPUS.:D

[404]

heh heh,

i never like dr tom. For tech news, i go to Anandtech. but people have choices you know...

Yes, the minus about AMD processor today is their lack of Thermal Protection. But I'm sure the next gen of palomino/Sledge Hammer will provide this.

[Demigod]

Originally posted by 404
The same thing goes to Intel Processor.

Let say If you overclock an Intel Pentium 3 500 to 1GHz with the standard heatsink+fan from the package and run Prime95 for 10 hours...

That Intel would sure go to Hell too.

Yeah, provided the CPU even runs at that speed. From my experience with overclocking when a CPU reaches a certain limit it just doesn't work. The system just hangs at the BIOS boot screen or it hangs loading Windows. I don't know if the CPU still runs during that time though.

Burning an Intel processor is hard work and I never succeeded. I tried with my previous Celeron (o/c from 366 to 495) system for over a year but it still works perfectly fine, even after dozens of heat-related crashes and problems. My Pentium system was also seriously overheated but it still works well.

[404]

AMD Getting stronger everyday.

When people still count on Intel processors for their Servers, they refuses to use AMD based one.

Today, with Athlon MP, AMD starts to take the throne from intel. More and more websites today count on their sites on an AMD processor based Servers. - The Ctrl Alt Del, M3dZone, Anandtech, etc... -

Athlon MP + Linux
more: AMD's 1.4GHz Athlon MP drips into channel (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/21696.html)

go AMD go! :D

[Ali]

Okay I think that there is some problem with the AMD regarding the cooling......My CPU remains constant at 60 celcius which is relatively high......today I called the dealer and asked him.....he said that the estimated temperature for Athlons obove 1 ghz is 60 whereas for below 1 GHZ is 54.......so I am no longer worried about that..........!

But I think that I should do something to bring this tempertaure down....I mean a global win fan with 7000 rpm........and some extra fans in the casing...........!.......well I have already taken care of that my attaching a fan on the front bottom and rear side of the casing.........!

Let me tell U one thing that my p3 used to be at very high temperatures.........and never gave me any problems.......so I think that 60 celcius is a safe temperature.........!......for Gods sake man.........how can I keep my CPU below 40..........when I start my PC the temperature is almost......51.........!.......I live in a hot region.......!

Something about water coolers.....these coolers are good but expensive and are hard to find.........so I am not interested in them.......well if I ever found one for alomost 130$ then I will but one.......!

This topic is gonna grow bigger and bigger......man Im tired.....Im going for rest.......!

Bye
Ali

[SgtGhost]

That video was very interesting. Even thought my TBird is running fine and doesn’t seem to have heat problems, I’m fully aware now of the consequence if my HS dies. I do however clean my PC’s on a regular basis. I don’t like having dust residues chocking all the fans in my PC’s.

[Shiori]

i guess the best way to avoid all this is to stick the heatsink to the socket using super glue. :p

[UnDeR_u]

Originally posted by Xeven
Check this article out...

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q3/010917/index.html

Man, it seems we have to be careful with AMD processors and they're heatsinks or else they'll look like these (no probs for the P3 and P4 dudes/dudettes):

SSSMOOOKKIN!!! dont 4get to watch the vid.:D

Man!!! I´m buyng a new pc do u really think i souldn´t buy an AMD Processor?? PLzzzzz Answer me!:( :confused:

[JAZ]

I wouldnt worry about all that stuff like the heatsink or fan failing as most motherboards can be set in the bios to beep when the cpu reaches a user defiend temp and to shut off the comp if a certain temp is reached...
JAZ

[Ali]

I was stuck in the same problem too when I was planning to buy a new PC........then I bought AMD Athlon 1.2ghz and I am pretty much satisfied........but if U have any doubts then go for a Pentium4 1.4ghz......which is even slower then Pentium III 800 Mhz.....sucks man.........AMDs are fast........!

About more then 90% ppl over here have an AMD based PC and they are quite happy with it including me.....the performance is awsome.........epsxe is so fast that it would blast........eheh.....!.......go for AMDs without worries........the tom who gave this review is correct that AMDs are ****ed up without heatsink and fan......but now a days the advanced fans and heatsinks are pretty good and they never lose thier grip of the processor.........under normal circumstances.......now the fan and heatsink come along with the processors.....and they are pretty reliable....other wise pay 15 bucks extra and get a 7000rpm fan....!

Pentium 4s are going flop.........AMDS kicked their Asses.......!

Ali

[theduck506]

AMD Athlon is way better than intel leave it at that

[Shiori]

well maybe when it comes to price comparisons, then yeah, AMD is a way better deal....but of course, that "step-down" mode when P4 detects a cpu fan failure is always worth the premium you pay for it. you can never tell when things will go wrong.

[Xeven]

well i don't care about brand names.. if it works good.. then i'll buy it, if incidentally it has a better price/performance ratio , then all the better... ;)

[Ultragunner]

here in our country, there are many network gaming shops and they prefer "AMD" for it's fast performance but they also told me that they change processors every 2 months because of continuous play of half-life counterstrike. they said that if i were to build a pc for home use and when processors come in mind they highly reccommend "PENTIUM 3 or 4". i know that AMD is a lot cheaper than P3/P4 but the recent price drop of pentium made me think between amd and pentium again. :)

[404]

Pentium 3 and Celeron 2 is DEAD.

The new Celeron 3/Tualatin takes place. But it's only worth to take palce below AMD Morgan.

Pentium 4 1 GHz - 9 GHz is a BIG FAILURE. You have that range of pentium? Throm your MoBO.

Pentium 4 Northwood needs New MoBo (wise move intel.... NOT!) - another hundreds to spend.

My college's server uses Athlon TBird 1GHz for quite sometime now... And NO Problems whatsoever.

I think it's a stupid move to step backwards choosing Pentium 3 or even the first generation of Pentium 4.

Unless you're filthy rich and wanna get fooled by computer vendors - then it's probably suit yourself ...

[campaign2016]

i have an AMD 1.2 GHz
recently the fan on my heat sink died. and nothing like this article happened. my system did hang but the cpu was fine and so is the mother board

[Shiori]

Originally posted by Ultragunner
here in our country, there are many network gaming shops and they prefer "AMD" for it's fast performance but they also told me that they change processors every 2 months because of continuous play of half-life counterstrike. they said that if i were to build a pc for home use and when processors come in mind they highly reccommend "PENTIUM 3 or 4". i know that AMD is a lot cheaper than P3/P4 but the recent price drop of pentium made me think between amd and pentium again. :)


gee, they can afford to replace all of them every two months? i guess revenues are booming, eh? since they charge P25 ($0.60) per hour of gaming, can they really afford it?

[Xeven]

Originally posted by campaign2016
i have an AMD 1.2 GHz
recently the fan on my heat sink died. and nothing like this article happened. my system did hang but the cpu was fine and so is the mother board

probably because thermal breakdown won't happen as long as the heat sink is still attached... albeit, the cpu will definitely run much hotter.. unless you live in a very cold place...

[Ultragunner]

Originally posted by Shiori:gee, they can afford to replace all of them every two months? i guess revenues are booming, eh? since they charge P25 ($0.60) per hour of gaming, can they really afford it?


man, prices here go as low as P15 - P40
the P15 PC'S is nice but somewhat slow(TNT2, geforce):(
the P40 PC'S is ultra fast (geforce 2 ultra):) very expensive though:(

[Demigod]

Originally posted by theduck506
AMD Athlon is way better than intel leave it at that
Hmm, I dunno, the Tualatin 1.266 review was pretty damn impressive. It's a shame Intel's going to be limiting it mostly for servers. The Tualatin review affirmed (at least to me) that Intel can still make excellent CPUs(and I think if they really tried they can make a superior x86 processor worthy of the Coppermine legacy), I just don't understand why they continue to endorse the Pentium 4 so much. The P4 does have HUGE speed potential (it's predicted to scale to 10 Ghz in the next 3 years). Still, it's future doesn't look too bright right now. Its new architecture doesn't work too well with current software and developers seem slow to develop SSE2 software. I wouldn't make any final conclusions on it though until the Northwood comes out. After all, you wouldn't judge the Pentium 2 from the Pentium Pro.

Getting onto the original topic, this whole CPU burn stuff shouldn't be of too much concern though. I've personally never had the heatsink of my CPU fall off and have never heard any stories of that sort. If properly configured it should be fine. Still, the consequences should be noted for Athlon users.


Pentium 4 Northwood needs New MoBo (wise move intel.... NOT!) - another hundreds to spend.

AMD did the exact same thing with the original Athlon CPUs. They were first introduced as Slot A, then with the T-Birds they switched to Socket A, leaving no upgrade path for Athlon Classic owners. The Socket 423 had a short lifespan, but the Slot A was even shorter.

[Fury]

AMD is getting stronger and stronger...now is the the brand new ATHLON XP (hwa)...i'll get one..."NO MATTER WHAT THE PPL SAY...";)

..............AMD..............

[Phuzzi]

Originally posted by Demigod79

AMD did the exact same thing with the original Athlon CPUs. They were first introduced as Slot A, then with the T-Birds they switched to Socket A, leaving no upgrade path for Athlon Classic owners. The Socket 423 had a short lifespan, but the Slot A was even shorter.

Yes, but they had no need for the extra space a slot cartridge affords as the L2 cache was migrated to the core. Intel did the same thing with their slot system. In the long run, sockets are cheaper for the consumer as they're cheaper to produce. Intels move from s423 seems to screw the user a lot more than any previous socket/slot change.

Note that motherboard manufacturers say making a converter shouldn't be too hard, so don't start whinging too much just yet. Everyone did say don't buy p4 systems when they launched.