REAL pic of Saitou Hajime [Archive]

Shiori

June 3rd, 2003, 15:09

I'm not kidding. This is the real deal.

http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/shinsengumi/miburo.html

Of course there wasn't such a thing as photography back then, so they used charcoal sketches I suppose.

Kaiser Sigma

June 3rd, 2003, 15:27

Originally posted by Shiori
Hehehe... can you believe this is the Moto-Shinsengumi Sanbantai Kumichou, Saitou Hajime?

Yep, that's him... a pitty that the guy died from excess of alcohol... BTW he did marry a woman named Tokyo... fun, neh ? ;)

Eface

June 3rd, 2003, 15:28

kewl... though he doesn't really look at his kenshin variant :D

Kaiser Sigma

June 3rd, 2003, 15:35

Originally posted by Eface
kewl... though he doesn't really look at his kenshin variant :D

Well but the truth is that ugly or not he was one of the top members of the Shinsengumi... they were really bad guys, he ended up with a cheap job after the war though (working as a security guard or something like that, correct me if I'm wrong)... a sad ending for such a man...

Hanamichi

June 3rd, 2003, 17:33

Whats wrong with his eyes? :D

Galway no Sora

June 3rd, 2003, 18:47

Uh, not look as I imagent before.

Kid A

June 3rd, 2003, 20:09

Looks scary enough :p

zerocopy

June 4th, 2003, 00:59

no wonder the shinshengumi were scary w/ freaks like that on their side how could they lose.

Kaiser Sigma

June 4th, 2003, 04:38

Freaks ? What did you expect ? Watsuki's Saitou ? :p

The Shisengumi were lots of things except freaks, read a bit about them and you will find what a great group it was...

Quatro

June 5th, 2003, 06:07

hmmm... and is he also a legendary swordsman in real life?

Kaiser Sigma

June 5th, 2003, 15:05

Yeah, he even had a special technique that consisted of a forward lunge with the sword (or something similar... it's been a while since I read this) which Nobuhiro Watsuki later used to create the famous "Gatotsu" seen on the manga/anime...

Eface

June 5th, 2003, 15:12

it's the same/similar move as in Kenshin?
It's indeed powerfull, but leaves a big gap in defence... but the range and speed would take care of that problem, as i see it

Kaiser Sigma

June 5th, 2003, 15:22

Nah, it was just a lunge with the left hand, but not so powerful as the one on the anime... though supposedly it was stronger than Okita's triple stabbing.
For what I gather about this move it must have suffered from a similar problem as the one of the Gatotsu, since it's the same problem that all lunge attacks have... a blind spot.

REi_FoX

June 6th, 2003, 01:05

wow you people knows alot... any news about kenshin? :D

Eface

June 6th, 2003, 08:37

Hey kaiser, it seems you are very interested in styles of swordfighting, just as me :)

Kenshin's style is intersting, but has got some serious flaws too...
(no, there is no style which has no flaws)

Kazuya

June 6th, 2003, 09:30

News about kenshin? I think Viz recently got the rights for the manga.

Quatro

June 6th, 2003, 10:04

gee kaiser, you really know alot about Saito... and maybe more on japanese swordfighting just like eface said...

just a question... just the samurai x manga still on going even the anime had stopped?

REi_FoX

June 6th, 2003, 13:24

i love the manga series of sanurai X... the last i saw was when kenshin passed his reverse edged sword to yoshi...

op3n_skill

June 6th, 2003, 14:11

Has anyone seen Rurouni Kenshin: Seisouhen(oav)?

Kaiser Sigma

June 6th, 2003, 14:22

Originally posted by Eface
Hey kaiser, it seems you are very interested in styles of swordfighting, just as me :)

Kenshin's style is intersting, but has got some serious flaws too...
(no, there is no style which has no flaws)

Indeed, it's one of those things that I enjoy reading about ;)

Kenshin's style is complex but it has the drawback of the huge pressure that inflicts on the body of the person... I seriously doubt that a person in real life could use that style for long periods, contrary to what is said in the manga that someone with a great physical condition like Hiko (Kenshin's master) shouldn't have troubles using it...

Originally posted by Quatro
gee kaiser, you really know alot about Saito... and maybe more on japanese swordfighting just like eface said...

just a question... just the samurai x manga still on going even the anime had stopped?

Both ended, the anime ended disgraceful with the 30+filler eps, and gracefully with the Seisohen OVAs. The manga ended a few years ago at vol 29...

op3n_skill

June 6th, 2003, 14:40

"Reminiscence OVA" the best!!

One thing my mind cant take off in seisouhen was what was that disfiguring disease both kenshin and kaoru got?... its like their flesh is rotting....

Eface

June 6th, 2003, 21:45

Originally posted by Kaiser Sigma

I seriously doubt that a person in real life could use that style for long periods
The same drawback i saw... but there are others... the reaction time needs to be short already (>.3 sec), or he would need to provoke attacks in regions he chooses which gives him about infinite time, but since he does not do that... he needs short reaction time, and a helluva fast eyesight... It's possible, but it's hard...

Kaiser Sigma

June 7th, 2003, 04:08

The short reaction time isn't that unlikely since we are talking about Batou techniques, their nature is based entirely on the initial speed of the strike... as for the eyesight part, I agree you need an eagle eye in order to perform such kind of attacks at those speeds... though I suppose that you don't need to see your oponent to know where to strike, you just need to now where he is...

Quatro

June 7th, 2003, 07:53

how many OVA are there anyway? might get interested in getting it over the net...

op3n_skill

June 7th, 2003, 09:39

2, namely Seisouhen(2 vcds)(end of rurouni kenshin, based on the manga of the same name), and Reminiscence(2 vcds)(How he became the slasher, and how he got the crossmark on his face)
Just buy them on tokyo kids.....

Kazuya

June 7th, 2003, 22:39

There are exactly 6 ovas. 4 about the origins and the death of his first love and the second two that are really strange and very very far appart from the original manga.

And, does the hiten mitsurugi ryu really exist?

And about reaction time(less than one second) and speed of techniques, i dont see the problem, we do that every day in karate do training. Almost every martial art needs precisely timing and reaction time. It shouldn't be an issue.

Kane

June 7th, 2003, 22:45

Well you are both right. There are 2 OVAs, but 6 OVA episodes.

n0estoy

June 8th, 2003, 03:51

wait so is there only 'trust', 'betrayal', and 'reminiscence'? the fluid animation in 'reminiscence' was pretty incredible, i wish they would have had more fight scenes. my jaw dropped when yahiko took on kenji...

zerocopy

June 8th, 2003, 03:55

ad there's also the crappy motion picture

op3n_skill

June 8th, 2003, 12:46

What crappy?....
There was not 2 but 3 if i remember...
The third one i didnt mention was aired on AXN and HBO, i forgot the title....

>the fluid animation in 'reminiscence' was pretty incredible, i wish they would have had more fight scenes.

Watch the directors cut......(more talk, more fight, more blood)

zerocopy

June 8th, 2003, 13:00

have you even seen the movie of samurai-x?

it's exactly like the serie's only they pro-longed it. What a rip-off

op3n_skill

June 8th, 2003, 13:07

Yeah, it was the movie, It was dubbed and shown on AXN and HBO at one time........

zerocopy

June 8th, 2003, 13:13

to clear things, 2 ova and 1 lousy movie not 3 ova's

op3n_skill

June 8th, 2003, 13:18

yup.... mistake....
evangelion's end has more connections to the series than that movie, even if it was hard to undertand in one pass....

Kaiser Sigma

June 8th, 2003, 15:41

You are all missing chapter 96, which was never aired for obvious reasons (ppl got sick of so many fillers) which was a chapter were they tried to tie some knots on the relationships between the characters...

Quatro

June 8th, 2003, 18:30

> Well you are both right. There are 2 OVAs, but 6 OVA episodes.

so there are 6 episodes for the whole 2 OVA? about 3 episodes per OVA?

Kane

June 8th, 2003, 18:35

The first OVA (Trust and Betrayal) has 4 episodes. The second OVA (Seisohen) has 2

Quatro

June 8th, 2003, 19:29

thanks kane... so where is the best way to get them? over P2P like kazaa or like you suggested over the anime list: bit torrent?

Kane

June 8th, 2003, 19:43

eMule IMO. I got them off WinMX tho.

Quatro

June 8th, 2003, 19:52

thanks again...

n0estoy

June 9th, 2003, 03:01

do trust and betrayal count as 1 ova? here they were released on 2 dvds, so i thought it would count as 2...

zerocopy

June 9th, 2003, 03:09

the 2nd set was a continuation so it only counts as a single ova

op3n_skill

June 9th, 2003, 07:14

I heard that some scenes are added to the director's cut version....

Napro

June 25th, 2003, 19:29

ok i fell VERY stupid for asking this but...

Who is Saitou Hajime?

Kane

June 25th, 2003, 22:24

Watch Rurouni Kenshin.

Kaiser Sigma

June 26th, 2003, 04:11

Lord of Darkness, there are ppl who don't know who was Saitou Hajime ? :p

He was one of the 3 most renowned members of the Shinsengumi, think of them as a sort of an underground group of cops... their job was to deal with the ones involved on the rebellion as well as to deal with the Ishin Shishis that posed a threat to the shogun... Saitou was the leader of the third division of the Shinsengumi.

vivrantpig

June 26th, 2003, 05:46

u guys kno where i can read more about swordstyles and the different kinds of armies in ancient japan?? seems interesting..

Kaiser Sigma

June 26th, 2003, 06:58

I think Shiori posted a link to a site with info about the Shinsengumi on the first page of the thread.

Napro

June 27th, 2003, 23:32

Watch Rurouni Kenshin.im done with eps 1 and 2 of the ova. i dun fell like hunting for all 96 eps of the tv series tho

Kaiser Sigma

June 28th, 2003, 04:10

You don't need the 96 eps, the anime follows the manga up to vol 17 or so. I think that the anime chapter is 60-70... the rest are mindless fillers...

op3n_skill

June 28th, 2003, 04:31

What's in vol 17? Shishio's story?

Kraelis

July 5th, 2003, 09:21

If I'm not mistaken, yes. Though the OAV picks up on Kenshin's past and an attempt to cover the Enishi arc.

Yes, speed, reaction time is important in any martial arts, but the rate at which Kenshin does it is impossible. The Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki is one such example.

Anyway, I saw something about the real Saitou in a magazine before. Same pic. Hey, Shiori, did you scan this?

Kaiser Sigma

July 5th, 2003, 18:12

AFAIK the pic Shiori's posted is from a drawing of Saitou, I've also one of Tokio (his wife) but if I'm not mistaken they may be the only picture about him.

Pestilence3

July 5th, 2003, 20:31

Kenshin's style is the Batou-ryu or the art of killing an enemy with one slash after unsheating your sword from it's "saya", or scabbard.

I also read about Iaido, which almost the same like Batou style(correct me if I'm wrong). And there's also Kendo. "way of the sword"

So i'm guessing Batou = the style
Sai = user
so, Batousai = user of the style Batou :p

BTW, I'm taking fencing. :p

Just my 2 cents.