Ever seen a Liger?

[Raqia]

I never knew lions could cross breed w/ tigers!

http://www.waystation.org/html/tiger.html

[Raqia]

There are also Tigons, naming depends on what species the mother and father are.

[Raqia]

I checked: Male Lion + Female Tiger = Liger
Male Tiger + Female Lion = Tigon

[Raqia]

The offspring are 2x as large as a Bengal tiger.

[Napro]

err...not as scary / weird as eface's face

[Omegainf]

AWESOME! :)

Makes me want to play "Monster Rancher 2" again :D

[(F)ragnarok(F)]

i thought liger was from zoids... :confused: but the cross breeding is interesting ;)

[dogulation000]

Originally posted by Raqia
I never knew lions could cross breed w/ tigers!

They shouldn't be able to. "Ligers" are sterile. In other words, they can't reproduce. :o

[Raqia]

I didn't say ligers with tigons!

I'm wondering if a St. Bernard can impregnate a Chihuahua or vice versa. I think the pregnancy and the offspring would be hilarious.

[Kid A]

Genetics manipulating bastards... :mad:

[zerocopy]

wow, i want one of those, it's like a chubby biggy cat

[Kurbster]

where's the fur? all you can see is it's blubber :D

[Hanamichi]

They're awfully oversized arent they?
I sense an impending danger to mankind. :eek:

[Kurbster]

They put that thing in the wild, there will be no more Africa :p sinceit will probably eat everything

[Prafull]

Yep,
I know all about this(being a biology student helps).

There are few other even rarer crosses.

[Omega]

Hell, nature has some perticular secrets...

[shadow_dreamer]

A Lion cross-breed with a Tiger?? Cross-breeding? Hmmmm..... Interesting.. Anyways, i think they shouldn't experiment with each animals in breeding different animals... It's against nature's law..

[Raqia]

What is nature's "law?" ;) I see no reason not to so long as they're not to so long as the offspring are not in constant agony and it doesn't endanger the species involved in some way.

[shadow_dreamer]

Oh... never mind... I think of nature's law as the basis of the world.. The law is: "Leave the species alone in its place... Let every living do what they want, but not involving any forceful activities.."

[Raqia]

What do you think about intervening when a species is endangered? I'm not sure what to think in such a case unless human action is to blame. However, if a species is naturally endangered, I think I agree with you and believe that it probably ought to die off.

[Sera]

his just making it up, there's no such law, it wouldnt endagered those species as i can see, it can even help them to multiply.

[shadow_dreamer]

Who says i didn't made it up?? Of course, i made it up and it has its own purposes... They were made to live by their lives by their groups as a lions or tigers... They aren't destined to cross-breed to a diiferent class.. Think about it! What if you were the one who cross-breed with a tiger..? Then, that would make it a maniger.. See, if they continue doing like this... There's a possibility that all tigers and lions would come to extinction leaving only their offsprings, Liger ot Tigon...

[Sera]

look they are the same species, if dogs are able to cross-breed without any violations, how come tiger-lions are not?

[shadow_dreamer]

It it because they have their own class and species... I think you're referring to genus, since they have the same genus...

[RamsusX]

Originally posted by Tokimune
look they are the same species, if dogs are able to cross-breed without any violations, how come tiger-lions are not?

Since the offspring of ligers and tigons aren't able to reproduce, Tigers and Lions are different species. At least according to one definition of a species (it's been a while since I took Biology).

shadow_dreamer:
Man has been genetically engineering plants and animals though selective breeding for thousands of years. If we didn't, we couldn't grow enough food to feed everyone, not to mention a lot of other things. While selective breeding doesn't usually entail cross-breeding, sometimes it does (e.g. Husky dogs).

As for making Lions and Tigers extinct, how would that work? Lions and Tigers are different species and shouldn't find each other attractive enough for such a thing to happen naturally. Ligors and Tigons have no practical utility as far as man is concerned, so cross-breeding wouldn't happen on nearly a large enough scale to make Lions and Tigers extinct. Ligors and Tigons probably wouldn't survive as well in the wild, and can't reproduce so releasing them into the wild wouldn't hurt Lion or Tiger populations.

Also, no species is destined for anything. They're simply more specialized for certain things than other species. What makes it wrong to cross-breed if a superior creature is created? Isn't the nature's goal to create the fittest organisms using genetic algorithms? Wouldn't that help nature? Inferior species die out on their own accord. What's it matter if we help them do it?

Of course, do we have the right to abuse our ability to manipulate lower life forms, just because they're lower on the evolutionary scale? While we generally hold the opinion that we can (how would we survive like we do otherwise?), maybe we wouldn't think the same if genetically superior aliens came down and started to engineer humans designed for slave labor, food, and military purposes.

Of course this is all just stupid philosophical crap. The way I see it: What's good for the human race, good for my country, and good for me is good in my book.

[zukeft]

That's scary... what's next? Chimps with gorillas? This isn't right. But I can't help say that it's fascinating.

[N1ghtw0lf]

Yea i wanted to buy one but they are like millions of dollars because they are so rare...but noone can say you'd rather have a million dollar car over a million dollar hybrid... :)

[shadow_dreamer]

RamsusX
>>>As for making Lions and Tigers extinct, how would that work? Lions and Tigers are different species and shouldn't find each other attractive enough for such a thing to happen naturally. Ligors and Tigons have no practical utility as far as man is concerned, so cross-breeding wouldn't happen on nearly a large enough scale to make Lions and Tigers extinct. Ligors and Tigons probably wouldn't survive as well in the wild, and can't reproduce so releasing them into the wild wouldn't hurt Lion or Tiger populations.

Well, it hasn't been focused so who knows if the Ligers or Tigons wouldn't the population of their species? Indeed, they won't make a large scale reproduction but who knows if those species harms each others and regretted to be with those species... Even monkeys doesn't accept us as one of them when one of the scientist told the monkey... Somehow, it has possibility to the post you made so i'll agree with you...

>>>Also, no species is destined for anything. They're simply more specialized for certain things than other species. What makes it wrong to cross-breed if a superior creature is created? Isn't the nature's goal to create the fittest organisms using genetic algorithms? Wouldn't that help nature? Inferior species die out on their own accord. What's it matter if we help them do it?

Indeed, inferior species dies without questions... Each species must live according to what the world gave them... If they can't continue on because of the harsh world, they die... Simple as that, before humans were given knowledge about things like in this modern age... Wouldn't we must keep going on like the world has given us? From Australopithecus to Homo, we were born as modern man and that's what i should call, "nature's law"... Thus, we shouldn't crossbreed animals because they also tries to live carrying their own species and living in the world as their own species...

>>>Of course, do we have the right to abuse our ability to manipulate lower life forms, just because they're lower on the evolutionary scale? While we generally hold the opinion that we can (how would we survive like we do otherwise?), maybe we wouldn't think the same if genetically superior aliens came down and started to engineer humans designed for slave labor, food, and military purposes.

Aliens? As if they could just invade our world and force us to do something to their foolish needs? Well, it has possibility but not all of us in this world would be made like a Guinea pigs to them... Of course, im not saying that i know what the aliens are doing... But, based in my memory of thinking, aliens are like humans... We create things like rockets, automobiles... so they are, they create their own things, though they are far advanced than us... Sorry, but i should say that aliens doesn't conquer, have you ever heard of a province being destroyed or occupied by aliens? They only just kidnap one person at a day and in several days, they kidnap again... Who knows, maybe they eat us or perhaps they need something to be experimented... But, we are different to those aliens, perhaps they don't crossbreed since they are already at an advanced state...

>>>Of course this is all just stupid philosophical crap. The way I see it: What's good for the human race, good for my country, and good for me is good in my book.

Hmmm... Yep, they are just philosophical crap but has a good explanations... So, i agree on that as well...

[N1ghtw0lf]

...i just realized those

male tiger + female lion = tigon
male lion + female tiger = liger

gettin a little sexist due to the male name dominance...nerg...but then of course children take on the names of their fathers and not their mothers so i guess its alright

[RamsusX]

Originally posted by shadow_dreamer

Well, it hasn't been focused so who knows if the Ligers or Tigons wouldn't the population of their species? Indeed, they won't make a large scale reproduction but who knows if those species harms each others and regretted to be with those species... Even monkeys doesn't accept us as one of them when one of the scientist told the monkey... Somehow, it has possibility to the post you made so i'll agree with you...


Ligers and Tigons wouldn't interact with Tigers or Lions. They would just keep their distance. How many small bands of humans in the jungle attempt to join bands of Gorillas?


Indeed, inferior species dies without questions... Each species must live according to what the world gave them... If they can't continue on because of the harsh world, they die... Simple as that, before humans were given knowledge about things like in this modern age... Wouldn't we must keep going on like the world has given us? From Australopithecus to Homo, we were born as modern man and that's what i should call, "nature's law"... Thus, we shouldn't crossbreed animals because they also tries to live carrying their own species and living in the world as their own species...

Or is it that each species develops what it needs to get by in the world? Maybe that's nature's law. Those who adapt and evolve to better survive should live, while others should die. Then by developing species that are able to survive better we would be simply speeding up the process.



Aliens? As if they could just invade our world and force us to do something to their foolish needs? Well, it has possibility but not all of us in this world would be made like a Guinea pigs to them... Of course, im not saying that i know what the aliens are doing... But, based in my memory of thinking, aliens are like humans... We create things like rockets, automobiles... so they are, they create their own things, though they are far advanced than us... Sorry, but i should say that aliens doesn't conquer, have you ever heard of a province being destroyed or occupied by aliens? They only just kidnap one person at a day and in several days, they kidnap again... Who knows, maybe they eat us or perhaps they need something to be experimented... But, we are different to those aliens, perhaps they don't crossbreed since they are already at an advanced state...

It's called a "hypothetical situation," and it's used to illustrate a point. You apparently missed the point, and instead chose to attempt to rationalize the hypothetical situation in order to make it seem unlikely. But hypothetical situations aren't supposed to be likely, they're supposed to illustrate a point. The point was to beg the question of whether or not a naturally or technically superior group of beings that are more intelligent has the right to enslave or to use those that aren't as intelligent as they are. Since we humans do use lesser beings all the time, and have to in order to survive, would we have the right to complain about being enslaved and turned into cattle by an incredibly superior group of beings? I don't mean just technilogically more advanced, but also intellectually and physically. That was the point.

The great irony in life is that in order to survive, we must bring death and suffering to those below us. The only way around this is to use technology.

BTW, there's nothing wrong with cross-breeding. We've had mules for the longest time. When they've ran off from their owners, have they attacked and violently eliminated wild horses or donkeys? No. There's little reason to believe that ligers or tigons would do the same either. Considering ligers and tigons can't breed, they couldn't sustain any sort of population in the wild anyway, so they wouldn't need to compete with tigers or lions for resources.