Any one know any sites with visual c++ tutorials for newbies?

[chillypacman]

I started off with vb programming but now i'v decided that its too limmited and besides i wanna make win 32 apps :)

[Nezzar]

You can make Win32 apps with vb as well.
ammoQ once gave a link to a good site:
www.cprogramming.com
Lots of useful stuff there.

[Shiori]

IMO you're better off starting with C first instead of C++.

[chillypacman]

Dont have c i only gots C++

[Nezzar]

?????
You mean Visual C++, right? You can compile C-code with this as well just remember to make the extension .c
Shiori: IMO, it's not necessary to lean C before C++ since C++ can everything C can (and sometimes even better). It depends all on you (I never learned C, I started with C++)

[Betamax]

I don't think you need to learn C first (I didn't). From what I hear you might be better off not as you could learn some bad habits which you would have to unlearn for c++.

Anyways never underestimate a good book and the dynamic help included in visual c++.

[chillypacman]

You all sure seem confident that c++ is better than C

[Ninjaa]

C is faster, but C++ is better. Take that as you will. They are both the same language, but C++ adds a little that makes it easier to make large programs. C is a little trickier, but rewards you by being faster.

[Nezzar]

Really think C it is faster? It highly depends on the compiler and optimizer your using.

[chillypacman]

I prefer to start c++ this is my choice right?

[ammoQ]

Originally posted by Nezzar
Really think C it is faster? It highly depends on the compiler and optimizer your using.

When it comes to the last few percent, C is likely to be faster than C++ if you use C++ features.
But both of them are very fast compared to languages like java; and assembler is still much faster than both of them.

[ammoQ]

chillypacman, don't think that it matters that much which language you choose. Programmers will learn many languages during their lives.

[chillypacman]

Do they? wow now thats a prob how many would an average proggramer learn???

[Nezzar]

Depends on which jobs he has to do.

[chillypacman]

Originally posted by Nezzar
Depends on which jobs he has to do.

Say if he was an average 14 year old proggraming for a hobby games viruses etc etc Woops sed too muchh :)

[ammoQ]

chilliypacman, in your age 1-3 languages should be sufficient. In your age, I knew Basic and Z80A-Assembler (actually, that was all available on a Sinclair ZX81). If you plan a carrer as a professional programmer, prepare to learn more languages.

[chillypacman]

Originally posted by ammoQ
chilliypacman, in your age 1-3 languages should be sufficient. In your age, I knew Basic and Z80A-Assembler (actually, that was all available on a Sinclair ZX81). If you plan a carrer as a professional programmer, prepare to learn more languages.

No I'm considering becoming an engineer. But I wanto program as a lets say hobby

[Red Knight]

i definantly learned c++ first, and unless i am forced to learn c for some bizzare reason i dont intend to... i don't know, i just like the added functionality in c++, which makes it so much more fun to use... course up to this point i haven't had to code anything really really processor intense, but then again if i really had some processor intense portion of code, i would try to write it in assembler, sorta like how ZSNES is coded or something...

anyways, the first language i learned was BASIC on an apple IIe, then QBASIC... actually i miss BASIC alot, that language was so simple it was scary... but ya nowadays most people are using either VB, c++, or java... I learned VB when it came out - seemed a natural step from QBASIC, but quite frankly i realized what you did, and VB is evil evil evil evil evil, and moved my butt over to c++...

there are assembler programmers out there somewhere, or so i've been told - they rarely see the light of day however... :D