The future of psx emulation? [Archive]

kl33per

June 29th, 2001, 09:04

Seriously, what does everyone think the future of psx emulation holds. With the big boys of commercial emulation slowly dying, and the free psx emulation world thriving, were does everyone think it will go.

Will sony attemp there own emu project? Will there be anymore commercial start ups? Will sony try to move in on the free psx emu's. Will we see the be-all end-all emu for psx? Will Connectix write a new emu, will Bleem go under?

Personally I think the whole thing will die of for a while. Everyone will get sick of psx and move onwards and upwards. Then, in a few years will be saying, "Hey, there were some awsome games on that thing!", like we are with consoles like the snes now. There we will see the psx emu scene reamerge in a blaze of glory with near perfect emulation of almost every single game.

Hope my ramblings don't bore to many people, just something else to think about.

fscarroll

June 29th, 2001, 12:05

ok tha future holds half-ass emus. the after the ps2 itll be hard to emulate jack. by the time that comes we will be grown up and not really care where it goes. we will have the best until we stop. also bleem might as well be dead they should release a 1.6 final and vgs needs to ****in update theres to 1.5 and fix the not workin at all with pentium 4 and maybe a last update on all the final games on the systems release those aint been tested. also, a new ps2 emu needs to come out then i need to invent a do all system emu(all systems and a cd copier and converter) like an ultimatge system by merging ****, i dont know its way early im out. i love emus alo too. everyone thinks its bad..someones got it worse..people tink they like something the most..someone like it, a nd is more obsessed than u. i love emus seeya l8r

Rargh

June 30th, 2001, 02:00

I think that the emulation scene will be better and better.
Even if people are saying that consoles are hard or even impossible to emulate, there always be people that will do the rumored impossible.
Just think of the n64.
It was said that it was impossible to emulate it.
Look at it now: there s a buncha emus.
so emulation will always go on.

kl33per

June 30th, 2001, 08:26

I agree with ya rargh, but I still think it'll take years after a console is realeased for quality emulators to come out.

Zell

June 30th, 2001, 10:02

There will always be emus , until the end of time !!!!!

Betamax

July 1st, 2001, 00:03

If one man can build it why can't another? If it can be built with bricks why can't it be built in stone?

ie if something can be created via hardware I see no reason why eventually it could not be done in software.

Raziel

July 1st, 2001, 01:43

Emus will always be there,but it will be harder and harder to emulate future console cause more and more functions will have to be emulated.

404

July 1st, 2001, 02:21

emulation is not just on games you know, girls, cars, animals, ... so it will never dies :D

Raziel

July 1st, 2001, 02:53

Originally posted by 404
emulation is not just on games you know, girls, cars, animals, ... so it will never dies :D
Yeah,can someone here emulate Alyssa Milano for me please?:D

Zell

July 1st, 2001, 22:31

fivefeet8

July 9th, 2001, 02:29

at the speed of how fast cpu speeds are growing , I wouldn't doubt it that every console will be emulated one day.... Next year we may have 5 gig comps..... Now where is that ps2 emu I had?
Plus, look at how graphics cards are just getting more and more powerful.... geforce 4? anyone?

Gambler2k1

July 9th, 2001, 18:09

Yes there will always be emus no matter what (unless we stop playing games (doubt that). Why? Because Emulation = Free or Cheaper And We love it when you have to pay nothin or less then half the cost of a system. Easy as that

Once agian, I did this too increase my posts (heh), And share my 1cents

takwu

July 10th, 2001, 05:16

Originally posted by Raziel

Yeah,can someone here emulate Alyssa Milano for me please?:D
no promise for 100% emulation tho, how about 1%? :p

Raziel

July 10th, 2001, 13:06

If the body is perfectly emulated then it's ok(guess I won't be able to talk to her,BBBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIN NNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG:p )

+=|KaRMa|=+

July 13th, 2001, 14:41

Originally posted by Raziel

Yeah,can someone here emulate Alyssa Milano for me please?:D

Alyssa Milano? Sabrina Ferilli is more beautiful.... big boccie e pure romanista... W la Roma!!!!!!!!!! Forza Totti, Bati e Vincezino....
Siamo noi, siamo noi, i campioni dell'Italia siamo noi....

Ok... let's stop joking....

The future of PSX emulation? We need TOTAL (or HIGH) compatibility... There are a lot of good psx emu but only one is the best for compatibility and FOR ME it's FPSE....

lu_zero

July 13th, 2001, 21:19

stop it...

Raziel

July 13th, 2001, 21:28

Just one question karma:
How old are you to be so childish and protect your "toy" so blindly?

+=|KaRMa|=+

July 14th, 2001, 09:36

Originally posted by Raziel
Just one question karma:
How old are you to be so childish and protect your "toy" so blindly?

More than you... see my "Profile"...

Raziel

July 15th, 2001, 20:17

Indeed you're older,but you and your teamates should learn what is respect and to be modest.

Oh,and about the sentence that FPSE uses(Emulare Humanum Est) it surely comes from "Errare Humanum Est",but in your case,you're no more humans,I just can't remember how much errors you made.

+=|KaRMa|=+

July 15th, 2001, 20:27

I'm modest and i know what is respect.... I respect the people that like X but i don't respect the people that hate Y and try to convince people that X is better than Y or that Mr. X is a fu**ed person.... Everyone is free to say that X is the best or Y is the best..... The best doesn't exists... The best is relative... For Mr. A the best is X and for Mr. B the best is Y.... The best is not X.. the best is not Y.... the best maybe is X+Y...

I'm a little communist italian PSX coder....

Swift Death

July 15th, 2001, 23:21

i think that Emulation is getting better because the current free PSX emu's are getting better. But with the PSX2 comming put to where you can buy it, there will be attempts to emulate it. Will they succeed? i don't think so, because the PSX2 is too far advanced. If it took the Emu scene this long to come out with the good emulators ePSXe, how long do you think it will be for the advanced cocols.

lu_zero

July 16th, 2001, 00:21

Originally posted by Swift Death
i think that Emulation is getting better because the current free PSX emu's are getting better. But with the PSX2 comming put to where you can buy it, there will be attempts to emulate it. Will they succeed? i don't think so, because the PSX2 is too far advanced. If it took the Emu scene this long to come out with the good emulators ePSXe, how long do you think it will be for the advanced cocols.

let time pass

CDBuRnOuT

July 16th, 2001, 00:44

KaRmA: By logic, you hate yourself.

Now please, stop this bull****, or I will remove all parties involved.

Kraelis

July 16th, 2001, 07:20

True. The PS2 will be one heck of a difficult console to emulate. Specialized instruction sets and hardware will make it even harder to port.

I dunno, in my opinion, it will all depend. The way I see it, there is still more or less a standard that the computing community follows. If the instructions used by the console is a break from this standard. It's going to be quite a bumpy road to get the emulation right, if at all.

But then again, if there is some mainstream material in the change, then, there's a flicker of hope that it will be implemented in future machines as well. Emulation will then be given a big boost.

It's just a hypothetical situation. I for one, do not know how future consoles may work. My assumption is derived only on the pattern of computing history.

And so... After this long ramble, I'd say that it will all depend on how the console developers will act and how the computing community will react in return.

Everything is relative.

squ4ll

July 16th, 2001, 12:28

hmmm... all I can say is don't underestimate human's brain. Even PS2 is an advanced tool,but human is always a human..... They can do amazing things. :) (hey? now I feel like a nerd person :yawn: )
hehehekekek:)

Raziel

July 16th, 2001, 13:17

Well, DX9 will include the NURBS technology which is used by the PS2,it will surely help to emulate it.

+=|KaRMa|=+

July 16th, 2001, 14:03

I'm working on FPSE2 which is "the BEST and MOST compatible PS2 emulator"....

Ok ok i'm joking.... :)

I think that our current PC technology can't emulate a complicated machine like PS2...

lu_zero

July 16th, 2001, 14:26

Originally posted by +=|KaRMa|=+
I'm working on FPSE2 which is "the BEST and MOST compatible PS2 emulator"....

Ok ok i'm joking.... :)

I think that our current PC technology can't emulate a complicated machine like PS2...

PS2 is emulable on something that has SMP IMHO...

I frear that the basic specs would be an SMP Athlon+a kyroIII/R200/GF3 ....

squ4ll

July 16th, 2001, 16:17

lu_zero,Raziel, looks like both of u have a wide knowledge about those mumbo-jumbo :confused: emulators,processors,directX and so on. How d'ya get those infos?:eyes:

Raziel

July 16th, 2001, 17:13

Well,for computer Hardware and Software infos, I usually go to these sites:
www.the-ctrl-alt-del.com
www.m3dzone.com
www.nvmax.com (by the way,for those who don't know,nvmax will make its comeback in some week,nvmax the program of course.)
www.nvnews.net
I also listen carefully to what cluthu says,he knows a lot.

For console knowledge,well,I read magazines;) .

+=|KaRMa|=+

July 16th, 2001, 17:24

Originally posted by Raziel
Well, DX9 will include the NURBS technology which is used by the PS2,it will surely help to emulate it.

NURBS can be "drawed" by software... Maybe we'll need in the future 3D card for PC that calculate NURBS via hardware....

squ4ll

July 16th, 2001, 17:30

oh,i see... thx alot!

+=|KaRMa|=+

July 16th, 2001, 17:38

NURBS = Non Uniform Rational BSpline

BSplines are, simply, parametric curves with certain, interesting, properties. I don't know how the PS2 draws NURBSes but the easiest and fastest way is to approximates a "surface patch" (NURBS in 3d space) with a poligon mesh. More poligons you use for approximate the NURBS, more the "quality" of the poligon mesh is near to the NURBS quality.

lu_zero

July 19th, 2001, 00:34

nurbs aren't the first problem.. I think the the bigger is the EE emulation...
I know that is hard to programming due is architecture... figure emulate it

+=|KaRMa|=+

July 19th, 2001, 09:53

Check this article:

http://arstechnica.com/cpu/2q00/ps2/ps2vspc-1.html

It's a very interesting article on system-level comparison between PS2 and PC. After reading it i'm always more convinced that actual PC technology cannot emulate a PS2....