*SPOILER* Character Deaths *SPOILER*

[Šhiva]

What does everyone think about them? I mean sometimes they're ok for making the story deeper (Aeris in FFVII), but I hate it when you spend so much time building them up and getting all their cool abilities and all of a sudden they die in the story. And I think FFIV went a little too far with characters dying. Oh well.

[Hydra]

Yeah it can make the story deeper, but to loose a good fighter from your team is annoying.

[Shiori]

This suddenly reminded me of Mareg in Grandia 2. Fortunately you can get back all the experience you gave him.

[Hydra]

I never did play that game. I was going to get it, but just never did.

[Cless]

It doesn't bother me if they do like how they did it in the grandias, you get all of their stats back.

[Šhiva]

Yeah, that's probably the only time it isn't as annoying. But in FF games, it's extremely annoying.

[Hydra]

Yeah but in Aeris case she wasn't all that good a fighter.

[Šhiva]

She was an awesome healer and magic user. And her more advanced limit breaks were really useful. And near the beginning, if you equip her with the long range materia she could do at least a little more damage with her physical attacks.

[Hydra]

I never did use her much, didn't get many of her limits.

[Šhiva]

Her death annoyed me the most because I spent a lot of time getting all her limit breaks. Great Gospel had to be one of the best limit breaks for the party even though Omnislash still rules! But I found Aeris to be more useful than Tifa or Yuffie.

[Xkalibur]

What about in Lufia 2, that blue haired guy. He's like the most awesome fighter in the game and he dies, well for a while at least (high hit points, attack and defense). That sucks soo much. I havent played it in soo long so i cant remember but i think you get him back later on.

[Hanamichi]

I didnt mind Aeris dying, its part of the game. Aeris was a great healer, but I switched to Tifa after she died. Its the game that I want to play, not complain over the death of a character in the game.

[Ninjaa]

Am I the only person in the world who could really care less if Aeris gets a sword through her gut? She wasn't that great anyway IMO.

Anyway, I thought that FF4 was pretty good as far as character deaths go. But the grand champion of character deaths is Eternal Darkness. That game is unbeleviably well concieved.

[Šhiva]

Aeris is just an example guys! Yeesh... Just trying to make a point.

[Punk_Mikau]

yeah some character deaths are annoying. i mean you spend hours and hours on the character just to have them die on you. aeris's death pissed me off cause i was really tring to make her one of my main characters...only to find out she gets gutted...:eek:

[Sho]

Don't never forget this rpg game: Valkyrie Profile. All the mortal warrior/mage that they joined you are all dead except goddess or undead.

[Strider]

also... alys in phantasy star 4 died

[Demigod]

Originally posted by Xkalibur
What about in Lufia 2, that blue haired guy. He's like the most awesome fighter in the game and he dies, well for a while at least (high hit points, attack and defense). That sucks soo much. I havent played it in soo long so i cant remember but i think you get him back later on. You don't get him back (as a member of your party) but it does come back as an NDP.

I hate it when a really good character dies in the game. Examples are General Leo in FF6, the monk in FF4, Mareg in Grandia 2, and the dwarf in Warcraft 3 (just when I get used to him and his awesome abilities he dies:( ).

[Omega]

Teepo from BOF3 died and no one remembered about her/him

[Punk_Mikau]

Originally posted by Omega_Vermelho
Teepo from BOF3 died and no one remembered about her/him
teepo didnt really die. he was just forgoten about and became a bady guy.

[cooliscool]

Yep, i was thinking of Mareg too.. I had done all that work copying GS codes down and building HIM up, to lose it :p LOL(sort of) Also thought about General LEO from ff6. although he's only an NPC, you get to use hima bit, would be real nice to have gotten to use him! but now through emulation you can patch the game where it turns edgar into LEO.. whats the world oming to? ;)

[Omega]

You sure about that? I just can't remember him, when Ryu find Rei, he didn't mentioned teepo's death?

[Punk_Mikau]

Originally posted by Omega_Vermelho
You sure about that? I just can't remember him, when Ryu find Rei, he didn't mentioned teepo's death?

yeah they thought he was dead. but towards the end of the game the main goddess boss i guess found him and convinced him his friends (ryu and rei) abandoned him. and like ryu, teepo was also in the dragon clan thing. and they fight.

[Quatro]

Teepo didn't die coz his dragon ability saved him from it. Rei assumed that teepo was dead because he cannot find any trace of him. That's why rei became the enraged beast that terrorize the mountain side in the story.

[Omega]

The party fights against teepo? Someone can post a shot? I really cant remember that

[LordDante]

doesnt anyone remember ff5? the old guy who loses his memory dies at the end and gets replaced with his ...something..daughter,relative something.. cant remember

[Quatro]

In suikoden 2, nanami died (or probably not if you collected all the stars)

oppss... this a spoiler to those who haven't palyed suikoden 2...

[Quatro]

Originally posted by Omega_Vermelho
The party fights against teepo? Someone can post a shot? I really cant remember that

well it is in the last part, where you can decide what ending it is for ryu, whether he surrender his power or fight teepo to foght the goddess.

[Omega]

Damn really can't remember that, well gonna wait till zero finish hist walktrought shots from BOF3, but i haven't saw him here for a while

[Šhiva]

That guy in FFV was Galuf. Pretty weird story though.

[Demigod]

Originally posted by Šhiva
That guy in FFV was Galuf. Pretty weird story though. Warning!!!: Minor spoilers on FF5, FF7 and CT

It wasn't anything of a tragedy though, except maybe from the POV of the story. His granddaughter Cara gets all his abilities anyways.

I forgot about another very significant character death, Chrono in Chrono Trigger. His death just shattered me (until I got him back of course;) ). He was such a good character and for the main character to just die like that.. you also lose Cloud in FF7 for a while, although he didn't really die (although he might as well have been if not for Tifa).

[Cless]

this thread should have a spoiler's warining because a lot of games were just spoiled for people that haven't played and are planing too.

[Demigod]

Oh, that's right, sorry:emb: . I'll add a little spoiler warning to my post:)

[Cless]

your not the onlly one. I mean the first one was in the 3rd post of the thread. And more have been added.

[Demigod]

I don't think it can really be helped though with a topic like this (unless you put a warning on the thread name itself).

[Cless]

That was kinda my idea. that is why i said thread not post.

[Demigod]

Ah, I C :)

[Cless]

but that is up to the thread starter to do.

[kougaiji]

i didn't use Mareg too much and i don't annoyed by his death, i feel a little sorrow instead...well rikimarudied in tenchu right?but it is at the end, so, not annoying, but sorrow...i'm into games too much~

[Raziel]

All right,I changed the thread title a bit ;).

[fujita]

Characters died in RPG? In my humble opinion, that is just very annoying. :( I really hate it when they does that. Like Aeris and Mareg. I also hate it when the game take away your characters, even though they are not dead. In this case like Gadwin and Sue in Grandia. It's okay if they did it like Legend Of The Dragoon, where some of the characters were replaced (Albert and Lavitz). But taking away the characters permanently, that is just so frustrating.

[Demigod]

The funny thing is, even when a character dies in battle there's no drama. You can just revive them using a phoenixdown or sleep at an inn (aw man, my buddy just died.. well, better take him to an inn, he'll look better in the morning:p). Yet when they "die" in the story it's permanent. Something I never understood about RPGs.. I guess they don't really die in battle, they're just knocked unconscious or something.. yet when someone casts a spell called like "death" you'd expect it to kill them, not make them unconscious. Oh well..

[Strider]

in phantasy star 4 alys' death made some sense though, it wasnt like a normal character dies and you can revive, they tried healing magic in the game but it didnt work on her because zio's black magic was too powerful for their spells

[Demigod]

My take on the death of RPG characters:)

The hidden scene from FF7, the death of Aeris:

Cloud ventures into the mysterious city of the Ancients in his search for Aeris. He eventually finds her praying on a platform. Sephiroth, after failing to manipulate Cloud into killing Aeris flies down and stabs her from above. Aeris falls, dropping the Holy materia into the waters below. After destroying Jenova Life, Cloud and his party decide to bid a proper farewell for their fallen comrade. Cloud, holding Aeris' body, walks into the water. He releases her, letting her float gently down into the depths of the water.

Tifa, in tears, reaches into her pocket for a handkerchief.. only to find a slender, feather-shaped item there. She draws it out and finds it to be a phoenixdown.

Tifa: Hey, look, I found a phoenixdown.
Cloud: Huh?
Barret: What? Are you serious?
Tifa: Yeah, here it is. I found it in my pocket.
Cloud: I thought you said you didn't have any. Weren't you keeping track of your inventory?
Tifa: I didn't buy any at the last town, it must have been from a slain monster.
Barret: Oh man...
Cloud: Great, now you tell me, after I drop Aeris into the frinkin' pond!
Tifa: Well I didn't know it was there! Don't blame me!
Barret: Just great! Now what do we do?
Cloud: Well we could possibly get Aeris out of the pond..
Barret: Well I don't want to go down there, I can't swim well with my gun arm. Besides, it's cold and wet..
Cloud: Yeah, I don't want to swim either, and I think she's too far down anyways. [looks down into the water]
Tifa: Can't we just, like, maybe drop the phoenixdown after her?
Cloud: Nah, I don't think it'll work. She'll just drown and die afterwards. Besides, we need it in case one of us die. I guess we can just leave her down there, it's too much trouble to get her back.
Barret: Yeah, I guess you're right. Besides, she wasn't that good of a fighter anyways.
Tifa: She always stayed in the back in fights..
Cloud: Meh, whatever. Come on, let's go. I want to get Sephiroth before he gets away.

Cloud and his party leave Aeris in her watery grave and move on.

[Raziel]

:lol:

[Kaiser Sigma]

now that was fun... anyway, an annoying death ? Phil's death in Zone of the Enders : The Fist of Mars, man I wasted a lot of money in his Blade just to have him leave it... SOMEBODY GIVE ME BACK MY MONEY !!!

[LordDante]

LOL!!!!

[Šhiva]

Uhh...yeah... :rolleyes:

[Kaiser Sigma]

you gotta admit it, that was fun...

[fujita]

Now that reminds me of Lord Kane's the dialogue between Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader. :D How did you guys come out with that idea?

[Quatro]

Originally posted by Demigod79
My take on the death of RPG characters:)

The hidden scene from FF7, the death of Aeris:



Now that's a good take!:D

[Šhiva]

Ah yes, I get it. Everyone hates Aeris. How nice.

[Cless]

Not everybody i found that she was usefully until she died.

[LordDante]

we dont hate her. i think that she was the best looking character(female) in ff7.

[Šhiva]

Wow, I have heard very few guys say that.

[LordDante]

just noticing :)

[Šhiva]

^_^

[Quatro]

Originally posted by LordDante
we dont hate her. i think that she was the best looking character(female) in ff7.

well I don't too, but for the best looking, tifa has my two thumbs up:)

[Šhiva]

Yeah, see. That's what I would expect from a guy. In real life most girls would wear an actual shirt in that situation. ^_~

[Quatro]

Well you got me on that one shiva...

[Šhiva]

Heheh, and who seriously does martial arts in a mini skirt???

[LordDante]

well thats why its called FANTASY!!!! :)

[Omega]

Well the topic is now kinda of :topicoff: but well let's get this thread back to the topic, how about biggs/wedge that die in every final fantasy

[Kaiser Sigma]

also the way they die it's pretty funny (FFVI toasted by an esper, FFVIII getting they ranks lowered each time you face it)... they are a funny couple (inspired by Star Wars don't they ?)...

[LordDante]

there are a few things that every sequel of ff has. the powerfull spells meteo(r),ultima,holy,the weapons masamune(or masa & mune), ragnarok (weapon,ship), summons/GF shiva and ifrit (every episode so far).

[Šhiva]

Cid too. But he wsn't in the first one or two I think.

[Demigod]

Don't forget the Excalibur sword as well:)

[Raziel]

As well as chocobos(who can forget them?),moogles,an airship,tonberries,and the little cactus(cactrot in FF6).

[Strider]

> the weapons masamune(or masa & mune)

i dont recall them being in any ff i played, afaik the only games i played with masa and mune were chrono trigger and chrono cross

[fujita]

Actually, you can find the weapon Masamune in Final Fantasy 7. Unfortunately, it is equipped by Sephiroth, and you can't remove it.

[systemid]

i actually could care less when a person in my party dies i mean usually a bit after you get a new character that is even better. And with aeris im sure you already knew she was going to die from so many other whining babys saying they were upset by it. So if you knew this why the hell would you use her. She was crap anyway just have some one else use heal materia. No big deal she died continue with a great game.

[Šhiva]

Ugh, I'm not even gonna start with that... Waste of time.

[Demigod]

Originally posted by Strider
> the weapons masamune(or masa & mune)

i dont recall them being in any ff i played, afaik the only games i played with masa and mune were chrono trigger and chrono cross The Masamune was in a lot of FF games as well, including FF3 (I think), FF5, FF6, FF7.. most games with Katanas as weapon types.

FF5 = One of the 12 legendary weapons
FF6 = One of Cyan's most powerful weapons
FF7 = Sephiroth's weapon

[Quatro]

the omega weapon and GFs

[Šhiva]

Masamune was Auron's sword in FFX too.

[Raziel]

I think he meant Masa & Mune separated,not Masamune,and indeed, Masa & Mune only appear in Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross.

[Kaiser Sigma]

as for Summon monsters the only one common to all the series are Odin, Bahamut, Leviathan and Shiva. (Ramuh wasn't present in FFVIII)...

[Strider]

...what about ifrit? Btw, another character death was Odin in ff8, but then he turns into bangladesh or something like that... *hopes he didnt confuse odin2's name for a country*

[Quatro]

Originally posted by Kaiser Sigma
as for Summon monsters the only one common to all the series are Odin, Bahamut, Leviathan and Shiva. (Ramuh wasn't present in FFVIII)...

I think Queztcol (I don't know if the spelling is correct) is the Ramuh-like GF in FF8

[Kaiser Sigma]

yeah you are right, still I prefer Ramuh. Strider you are right I forgot about Ifrit, BTW Odin is replaced with Gilgamesh from FFV.

[Strider]

ooooh yeah, i always had trouble remembering that name ... oh well... it does sorta sound like bangladesh right? ;)

[Šhiva]

Heheh, interesting way to remember it.

[Quatro]

yeah... well at least strider comes close with the -esh ending :D

[Šhiva]

Heheh, yeah. That's what makes it sound like that.

[Kaiser Sigma]

BTW bangladesh is something or just a invented word ?

[systemid]

i think i have hear a city called bangladesh

[Strider]

its a country in africa i think

[Kaiser Sigma]

nice... you always learn something *smiles*

[Strider]

yeah... i had too much geography this year... so i started confusing bangladesh for... gilgamesh? anyways, lets start talking about character deaths instead of african countries k? ;)

hmm... what did everyone think of rachel's death (locke's wife or gf iirc) in ff6

[Omega]

Just an info Bangladesh is a country in India, it was part of India, but due the divergences of religion the people from there created a new country named that

[Šhiva]

Ugh, I knew that too! ~_~

[Strider]

BAH! enough geography! ;) More talk about death plz :)

[LordDante]

Originally posted by Raziel
I think he meant Masa & Mune separated,not Masamune,and indeed, Masa & Mune only appear in Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross.
not true, masa and mune appear in FF 4
the two guys that save you by turning into stone...

[Ninjaa]

Nope. Those two are Palom and Porom. Not Masa and Mune.

[LordDante]

>_< damnit. youre right...

[Kaiser Sigma]

but it's true that masamune appears from FFV to X... it's like those common points in FF games.

[Strider]

> not true, masa and mune appear in FF 4
>the two guys that save you by turning into stone...

>>Nope. Those two are Palom and Porom. Not Masa and Mune.

>>> >_< damnit. youre right...

you thought those two were masa and mune? :D palom and porom were those two kids that followed cecil around because the old man told em to... they were pretty good magic users for little kids though... but golbez and fusoya were way stronger at the end... remember their battle? OHH! OHH! i just remembered, they die in the end as well! More character deaths :)

[Omega]

How about cid from FF2?

[Quatro]

he's almost in every FF games since his debut from FF2

[Šhiva]

Heheh, I still think FFIV did go a little crazy with character deaths. Oh well.

[Kaiser Sigma]

yeah... they all die in less than 3 hours of gameplay (or at least they get seriously wounded, so wounded they can't go with you anymore).

[Strider]

hmm... i remember porom, palom, tellah, golbez, and fusoya die... i cant remember if that stupid bard dies but anyways, they dont die in 3 hours of gameplay... maybe porom palom and tellah die close to each other in terms of time but the other two are at the end of the game, plus rydias village gets wiped out in the begining... my favourite character from that game was probably kain, most of the time he's under mind control though :p oh yeah... you also kill evil cecil (heh) when you become a paladin ;)

[fujita]

That is the only reason why I didn't like FF4. Most of the characters were taken away "kapoof!", just like that. I did play it, but only halfway. I stopped at around when the ninja (forgot the name), joined the party. Right after that, the game started to become too hard for me. The monsters kept slaughtering my party. I guess I'll continue it if whenever I regain my spirit.

[Kaiser Sigma]

well... the last parts of the game require a lot of levels to be completed without your party being slaughtered, a good option is to level up at the bahamut (or was it behemot ?) cave.