What HTML programming tool do u use?

[Fr0g]

i was using HomeSite, it used to be a really good prog, until macromedia bought it from allaire and released a new version (5.0) and now it really suck!

any suggestions of a good html program? plase no microsoft frontpage or dreamweaver.... :dead:

[ammoQ]

I don't do much HTML stuff, so I use a normal text editor (vi).

[reaper-x]

Maybe u can use MS Visual Interdev, Netobject Fusion, Adobe GoLive or Coffecup HTML Editor

[SnakeBite]

A really good free editor is 1st Page 2000 (http://www.evrsoft.com)! It's free, good, and contains lots of scripts you can add to your homepage + some DHTML scripts. You can set it to Easy, Normal, Advanced/Expert, and Hardcore! It's simply the best editor I've ever used! And it's free!!! :D :D :D

[Fr0g]

yesterday, ive installed the older (better) version of homesite, 4.5.2
gonna try your suggestions later and see wich is the best

[Shiori]

Notepad. Doesn't do much, but it helps you get on the right learning curve.

[ShADoWFLaRe85]

I prefer UltraEdit, it actually has syntax checking and highlighting. It's not WYSIWYG, but it's nice to have something that supports HTML/ASP/PHP all in one package.

[Fr0g]

i believe WYSIWYG is a disadvantage :p it makes your code all screwed up and doesnt give you too much 'freedom'
but of course, you need some knowledge! :p

[Kurbster]

I use an old 32 bit program called WebExpress. The code is pretty outdated since I just pulled it out of the closet, so I'm looking for some updates

[RF]

Personally i like notepad, easy and precise. Thats all i used for <a href="http://www.m00clan.org">THIS</a> site. BTW thats my tfc clan website and im "Grasshoppa".

[ammoQ]

WYSIWYG is the wrong idea - as the name says, what you see is what YOU get, but it makes no assumption what other users will get. Not everybody uses IE6.0 with a screen resolution of 1024x768. Websites created with a WYSIWYG-Tool mostly have a static layout that doesn't scale with the screen resolution, the font size etc. Here is an example how it made it differently: http://www.itek.at/ganzneu-eng.html Note that the size of the border always adopts to the size of the browser window.

[sniff_381]

Originally posted by Reichfuher
Personally i like notepad, easy and precise. Thats all i used for <a href="http://www.m00clan.org">THIS</a> site. BTW thats my tfc clan website and im "Grasshoppa".

I can't believe you created a site with notepad... for me that's pretty hard... I even bought a book for using notepad as HTML programmer...

[Fr0g]

hm hadn't checked his site
very good, congrats! :)

[sithspawn]

UltraEdit (or the likes) in Windows, or vi in Linux.

[Badaro]

Originally posted by ammoQ
WYSIWYG is the wrong idea - as the name says, what you see is what YOU get, but it makes no assumption what other users will get. Not everybody uses IE6.0 with a screen resolution of 1024x768. Websites created with a WYSIWYG-Tool mostly have a static layout that doesn't scale with the screen resolution, the font size etc. Here is an example how it made it differently: http://www.itek.at/ganzneu-eng.html Note that the size of the border always adopts to the size of the browser window.

I don't think WYSIWYG editors are particularly bad, as long as you understand its problems and limitatations.

I have a friend, that at one point in time was in charge of her area's intranet. Her site was, by far, the finest looking and the best coded site around. Which tool did she use? Frontpage. She used to WYSIWYG part of the program to design the pages quicker, and later cleaned up the code manually.

[]s Badaro

[Fr0g]

Originally posted by Badaro


I don't think WYSIWYG editors are particularly bad, as long as you understand its problems and limitatations.

I have a friend, that at one point in time was in charge of her area's intranet. Her site was, by far, the finest looking and the best coded site around. Which tool did she use? Frontpage. She used to WYSIWYG part of the program to design the pages quicker, and later cleaned up the code manually.

[]s Badaro

yeah ive used this method to do some things, but it really took me a long time to clean up the code! :(

[ShADoWFLaRe85]

Yeah, but you gain time in the long run, because think about how much time you're saving by not having to manually code everything. I prefer the way of mixing the two methods. It is by far the easiest and most efficient.

[Fr0g]

yeah i know how awful manually typing everything can be, thats why i was looking for a html program like homesite
just by clicking a button it adds the commands like &lt;a href="http://homepage.com" target="newwindow"&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and you can modify it freely
i would never make a page by only using notepad... thats too much for me :p

[ebola]

Originally posted by sniff_381


I can't believe you created a site with notepad... for me that's pretty hard... I even bought a book for using notepad as HTML programmer...

I made my site with notepad as well. lol.
http://cythraul.com

I didnt write the java script tree menu although I did edit it in notepad. :)

[Thorgal]

I have to admit WYSIWYG editors have improved a lot over the years. Two years ago I wouldn't dare to touch Frontpage or Dreamweaver, or any other.. now I still don't use 'em, but at least the code they produce is a lot cleaner :)

I've been using Homesite for 2 years now, but the only reason I use it is the fact I'm used to it. I don't use its WYSWYG features (yes, homesite does have those, even though Macromedia calls it a 'html code editor'), nor do I use the buttons that allow you to 'quickly' insert a link, add a table, etc.
I say 'quickly', because personally, I code html stuff such as <a href="http://homepage.com" target="newwindow"></a> faster than I can stop typing, use my mouse to go the button, click on it, insert the url, insert the description, check if it's ok, and go back to where I was.

The simple reason why I code everything by hand is, I want to understand every bit of code, and never forget the html basics. And I've got enough experience with this method to be just as fast - if not faster - than using a WYSIWYG editor; for me, that is.


Oh, and I'm pretty sure NGEmu would load slower if I didn't hand-code it ;)

[ammoQ]

I normally start the design in a painting program (i.e. MS Image composer), where I can draw and everything and don't have to worry about how to code it in HTML. Of course, I must bear in mind what is possible in HTML and what isn't. When the layout looks the way I want it, I start slicing it into pieces of graphics and write HTML code that assemble the pieces (along with everything that is text).

[Fr0g]

yeah, by using WYSIWYG editors you dont really learn the code, its like someone else did the page for you!

just when i get a javascript code/example at some page, instead of just copying i always read and try to understand it

editors like homesite that make the code 'colored' makes the codes a lot easier to understand! :D

[Kurbster]

I've created a couple of pages using notepad. Kinda crappy and I failed all of them

[Moogleman]

I use notepad, but my sites are never anything spectacular. I'm not the greatest at HTML coding, but whatever.

[cooliscool]

well, for the bit of html i know, i use notepad :)

[ShADoWFLaRe85]

Moogleman, it's probably not a good idea to link to your site, seeing as it contains roms...

[Bobbi]

What the heck does this do in this thread ? Feel free to delete it if it's incorrectly posted, otherwise I'll do that for you :eek:Well, as it was somewhat misplaced, I took the freedom to delete both posts and remove the content from this one. Take care next time pls.

[REi_FoX]

okie dokie!!!

well i tried the freeware that was found on www.evrsoft.com

and still i cant figure how to use it...

i like to see a HTML maker that you just have to copy then paste it in there and add some hyper links etc...

[Fr0g]

1st page 2000
i dont know this prog, but judging by the sshots they provide, looks like you need some basic html knowledge

for newbies WYSIWYG editors are the best option

[REi_FoX]

can someone tell me a link for WYSIWYG software?

[Kellicros]

Originally posted by Fr0g
i was using HomeSite, it used to be a really good prog, until macromedia bought it from allaire and released a new version (5.0) and now it really suck!

any suggestions of a good html program? plase no microsoft frontpage or dreamweaver.... :dead:
I use Dreamweaver, it's the best for me.

[Fr0g]

Originally posted by rei_fox
can someone tell me a link for WYSIWYG software?

dreamweaver at www.macromedia.com
microsoft´s front page www.microsoft.com :p

[REi_FoX]

thanks frog!!!

[Kurbster]

I hate idiot-proof software

[Kraelis]

EditPlus. It's not free but it's really good. I use it for programming not only HTML but also C++, Java, Perl, Php... etc...

[Lavos]

I use HTML-kit which is good if you want things done quickly. it's not good as it is a WYSIWYG but it has every single tag you will ever need. not good for starters but it is good if want to get things done quickly.

[Anime Hero]

Yeah if you are a beginner try and get yoor hands on Macromedia Dreamweaver 4.0 or even MX. But the best program to use is definately normal average notepad. Because other programs tend to have to use heaps of tables and stuff. If you want to learn basic HTML coding, go to HTML Goodies (http://www.htmlgoodies.com). Thats about it.

[BlackFayth]

I use cuteHTML, it’s pretty much the same as notepad except with some extra frills :p Like being able to view numerous files easily, colour coded tags etc.

[aks_09]

i use notepad or macromedia dreamweaver.

[REi_FoX]

im sorry slimshady165000 i think some of us or i'll just say all of us started knowing nothing at all...