Red stars/recently promoted admin, and my views on them

[Shiori]

I hope I posted this in the right forum.

Lately I've observed that some people here have this desire to earn "red stars". You know who you are. While I don't know and I don't care what your underlying reasons are to desire them that much, I do understand that having those different-colored stars signify clout in Emuforums. It simply means Bobbi and Thorgal trusts you enough to take care of his site for him while he's gone, or that you've made a significant contribution to the Next-gen emulation scene.

I've been around long enough to see people come and go in Emuforums; some people I never knew when I came in here are now close acquaintances of mine. I know most of the people here; I've been here almost every day since August, except for one three-week stretch when I was In Japan. If there's anyone here who I think had what it takes to be admin/moderator or emu authors to have those stars, I know right off the bat. In all honesty, Xeven didn't really seem to be plugin author material when I first knew him, but as the months went by I slowly got to know him better, and I knew he had untapped potential if he only had time after work to realize his ideas. Those ideas materialized one day into EmuFrontEnd and cdrXeven, and I'm mighty proud to have been part of its development, as I've never lost faith in what he can do even back when he was about to give up on the BATARD.

The other admin, like kairi and Beta, were chosen simply becase they were much more sane than the rest of us back then. :p Ok, so I was just kidding there, but Beta's been posting since the days of the Bleem boards, while kairi...well, all messageboards needs at least one hentai bunny. :p j/k Still, Bobbi and Thorgal believed that they've gained enough respect in the community as well as correct judgement to make the right decisions whenever necessary, and as far as I'm concerned they've made the right moves each and every time. Bobbi and Thorgal couldn't have made a better choice than these two.

Now there's a separate set of red-star people that i'd like to mention: the "News-poster" admin/mod. Evil Squall was the first incarnation of this kind of mod, as he tirelessly browsed the various emu sites for the latest news, and making sure NGEmu got first wind of them. Bobbi rewarded his dedication to news-posting by promoting him first to super mod, and eventually to admin after a month or so. He's every bit as capable as the others in regards to admin duties, he just needs some encouragement and support every now and then from the rest of us.

And then there's Shadow Lady. I hope you won't take this personally, but I think you just rode the coattails of Evil Squall, taking his news-posting duties in the hopes of getting those stars. Quite a blatant accusation, you might think, but if you were a regular here you'd know exactly what I mean. There's nothing wrong with that approach, but I hope you continue to do your job long after those stars were awarded to you.

Bottomline: I don't care if you got red stars or not, you earn my respect as well as the others' respect by the posts you make and how sensible/meaningful they are.

And now, for the list of people I believe should be next in line to be entrusted with admin/mod status as NGEmu grows bigger and better over the months and years:

1. Samor. He's currently moderating a lot of other forums, and I think he's doing a great job over there. The experience factor weighs heavily when considering new admin, and I believe Samor here has got the credentials. People who have been here for quite some time now also know him as a personable guy, easy to talk with, and quite hard to anger. ;) That's definitely admin stuff in my book.

2. Lord Kane. Sure, he's been here only since January, but his posts have been as ubiquitous as Ryos', and always has been informative, helpful and straight to the point (at least outside off-topic section ;)) I believe he would be a good, if not great admin someday. Definitely someone you can trust.

3. fivefeet8. Ever serious, but not as serious as, say, sxamiga. He definitely knows his emulation stuff, and has provided us with invaluable knowledge as well as beautiful screenshots over the months. Should be definitely considered next time.

4. Demigod79. Ah, the king of hardware. Does his contributions siletly and efficiently, without being too pushy about his opinions. I feel you can also make a lot of contributions to the site and to the boards someday when and if you get the chance. And I believe you should get that chance someday.

5. Zephon, Badaro, and Fou-Lu. The Brazilian troika. :p For their invaluable help over the months. I hope Fou-lu comes back soon, though. :(

6. prafull. I think you've also provided invaluable contributions, and I do not doubt your prospective ability to lead and set an example, but i think you should be more subtle in your desire to be admin/mod. Just a friendly suggestion. :) Bobbi and/or Thorgal will definitely contact you when they feel they needs your services.

7. Aldo. Where are the red stars on this guy? :p



Well, that's it. Sorry if I left out anyone who felt they should've been included, but rest assured this list was done as impartial as possible. If you happen to have any comments or suggestions as to this post, let me know by posting below.

I gotta go to sleep now, I have a movie date in 8 hours. Star Wars, if you must know. :p Just wanted to get this off my chest.

[Ultragunner]

i don't want the red stars. i don't want to be treated as "special or chosen one". actually i want me to be me as the others knew me. it doesn't matter how many i got and i know i've earned it through hard work.

as for the red stars, "consider it a gift" given by the higher admins.
remember that you must control the your powers given to you and not the powers given to you are controlling you!

[Jonys]

>The Brazilian troika. For their invaluable help over the months. I hope Fou-lu comes back soon, though.

Hey....I'm Brazilian too.... :cry:

( Not that i'm saying i'm helpful enough to deserve red stars or that i want it.....in the last few months i was very away from emuforums....i guess it changed a lot, and i could say i not helped at all since then.....)
Whatever..... :o.....
:(

[ShADoWFLaRe85]

Hmm.... I'm undecided on this topic. I'll post later once I figure it out. For now, have fun on your movie date, Shiori :)

[Snake785]

Thats a pretty good explaination on that subject. I also feel that way as well. I also don't care if I get them or not. I didn't come here to become a mod. ;) I just come here to help people out when help is needed. :) That's all I have to say. :)

[Demigod]

Wow, I'm mentioned on the list:eek: . I'm so honored!

I don't know if I'd want to be an admin or mod though. I just come here to have fun, to see what's up in the emulation scene and occasionally help out someone with their problems. It's always rewarding when you give advice that helps someone.

Oh, and have fun on your date, shiori:)

[Kane]

I'm flattered that anyone might think me worthy to be honest :)
It's an interesting little artice there, and I agree with most of it. I agree with Samor too, I didn't just come here to be a mod. I enjoy talking to everyone here, and helping out when and where I can.

I hope you enjoy Ep2!

[Zephon]

It's an honor to be mentioned in the list, Shiori. Maybe you should include yourself in that list. I completely agree with your list but IMO the two most indicated to be adm/mods are fivefeet8 and Samor(others: please don't get offended, you're not worse than these two). They have been posting here since the oldest times, and they know the boards better than anyone else. These two are always helping others, have a great knowledge. Above all they're serious. IMHO, that's an essencial characteristic for an adm/mod. Being an adm/mod is a great responsibility and not everyone has the qualities to do it.

So, that's my opinion about my subject, and I'm really sorry if anyone got offended. After all, I really think that the board already has a good number of adm/mods, so it's not necessary to have more right now.

[Betamax]

Just one slight correction: I was only a lurker until last year. Never actually posted until then :)

[G-Pitts]

I personally think that this board have already enough admin for the moment. I dont think another admin will make any different. BTW, the people Shiori suggest is very good person to be the next admin except some person there who greatly desired to be an admin in this forum :p dont get angry, it just my opinion.

[Kane]

Originally posted by Zephon
Maybe you should include yourself in that list.
I realised after I left my computer that he hadn't mentioned himself. I thought you would have been promoted will Kairi and Beta to be honest.

[REi_FoX]

yeah stars or no stars it dosent matter... as long as you help people here...

and ultragunner was right about...

"remember that you must control the your powers given to you and not the powers given to you are controlling you!"

that should always be in mind of those who are given the gift

[Cless]

i agree with that list..i know that i don't stand a chance at getting stars:cry: .my posting habits prevent that..and a lot of you know why. :wink: i never reliazed that lordkane has been here since january and has some many posts :cool:

[Kellicros]

I can hardly post a news since Shadow Lady Joined, she's really fast and surely a helpful member of NGEmu, IMHO, she deserve the promotion.

I always try my best to get the admin job well done, but I think I failed a bit. Anyway, Shiori, you forgot to put yourself in the list. ;)

[Demigod]

Lord Kane boosted his post counts in a hurry. I remember several months back he was posting like mad:D. He had a reply in almost every threads.

[Kellicros]

And he lost more than half(IIRC) of them after Bobbi disable the count of Off-Topic forum.

[Cless]

not a bad idea.

[Kane]

I always try to look at every thread, see if I can post anything constructive. Things have slowed recently. It's too much of a chore to take my computer all the way down to the network. Fortunately, when i move to the new place, that won't be too much of a problem.

[Cless]

i would try to that but a 56k connection is too slow...like the desktop thread..i just flat out avoid that one.

[Kane]

Originally posted by Evil Squall
And he lost more than half(IIRC) of them after Bobbi disable the count of Off-Topic forum.
I lost about 1.5k off 3.5k when he changed it.

[ShADoWFLaRe85]

..and you managed to build it back up in quite a hurry ;)

[Prafull]

Nice post Shiori.I agree with you completely.I have posted this time and again that stars and post counts doesnt matter to me and I always try to help the emu scenario any way I can.
All those people who took my status wrongly (and think I need red stars) here is little clarification.That status is due to the fact that many people on theses boards already think that I am an admin. and I have received pms about the same from time to time.
So no desires.Enjoy the boards and help all others.

[Kellicros]

I never thought I would become an admin when I joined, just like the other, I am here to have fun, to help people and to get help from others.

[Shadow Lady]

for me actually when I was promoted for mod, I had plans to really deserve that honor, but for some time issues I just have enough time to came and post some news -_- ...

sorry if I dissapointed anyone (at least I dissapointed myself -_- )

anyway, maybe red stars are not important, but u people can help more whit them, believe me ^^<span style="height: 11; Filter: Glow(Color=black)>

[Ryos]

The forums don't get enough traffic to justify getting more admins/mods at this time. The current ones more than suffice.

[EfrainMan]

Those guys are definetely kewl enough just to give 'em red stars for the heck of it. Especially 1-3.

I'm definetely too much of a schmo (and don't come often enough :heh: ) to be getting red stars :p

[Esturk]

There are plenty of mods now. Half of them you hardly ever see anymore.

[Shiori]

Thanks for all the feedback on my little essay, guys. :p It took me an hour using my newly-reconstructed wrist and fingers, but it was good exercise on it anyway.

I fully agree with Ryos' opinion that we have more mods than we need right now (i think there's an average of 2-3 mods per 30 users online at any given time) Most of them are regulars, only a few are those clueless n00bs that don't read the rules and make asses out of themselves as well as a fat, juicy target for a locked thread and/or a ban. The list was just a suggested shortlist of (IMHO) prime candidates for future job openings as NGEmu inevitably gets bigger, and while some admin/mods get more important things in RL to do. (Keith taking care of a daughter? Ryos getting a girlfriend? :p Evil Squall stowing away on a ship to Colombia? :D j/k :p)

I appreciate the other's suggestion to include myself in that list, but that would be quite an act of shameless self-promotion on my part. :D I just do my share in helping out the scene in my own little way through testing their stuff in different PC and OS environments, same as the other beta-testers do. And, of course, through helping others with their problems, emulation-related or otherwise. I leave all the crediting to the emu authors themselves.

Pete Bernert probably said it best when asked why he doesn't hire beta testers for his famous plugins:

http://www.ngemu.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=213926

[Badaro]

I don't really think I'd make a good admin, but I'm flattered to be mentioned in your list, Shori. :)

[]s Badaro

[Keith]

No daughters yet .. but who knows maybe the baby on the way will be. I have two boys. Also Bobbi and Thorgal didn't have much to do with the recent Admins Betamax and Kairi, that was mainly Ryos, which were great choices.

Also about the red stars, I am willing to auction mine off for a good price ... going once .. going twice .. do I here a higher bid? :p

Also I will be the first to admit I don't do much as I could on the board, but I don't visit often enough, and for other reasons, which will go unsaid. ;)

[Cless]

nothing wrong with that people see you over at psxfanatics.
and what short vaction keith

[Nezzar]

delita: Visit psxfanatics and scroll down a bit.
the rest: What do the red stars mean to anybody of you? To me, generally nothing. They're just showing you're a guy who has the ability to delete some post. woohoo, what an honor (that was ironically meant, just in case you didn't notice :p). I, myself, don't want to be admin (nobody wants me to be one anyway :p). There are so much duties you have to fulfill (besides my english is not good enough). Especially in this forums, they are so big. The bigger a forum is the more lamers there are. This means you have to be here very often and long. I couldn't afford this.
Anyway, the guys suggested by Shiori could be admins, probably.

[Hanamichi]

Im a questioner, imagine the amount of help I would get if I be made a mod ...:D
To me, red stars are the ability to close threads. :p
Also I think you should be in your own list too, Shiore

[Hydra]

The more admins the better I say, keeps all those noobs posting c**p in line. Not that I'm saying they all do that, but I have noticed a few times that there are no mods/admins online at all.

[Skye]

Evil Squall and Shadow Lady IMO doing a fine job. Don't think to lowly of yourselves.

[CKemu]

Hmm an interesting post Shiori, and totally agreed with, I think there are a few potential adimn's out there, but I have found the main posters when I first started to be of the main use, simply because they had been around sooo long they knew what to say and how to help, but now I and many other newbies of been around for some time, its nice to pass out knowledge, and Lord Kane of late has been a damn good fount of knowledge, and hell the guys british, need I say more.

NO.

[Omega]

Sure the red stars are desired for most of ppl, i desired those a while ago but i just realized that it's just futile, i prefer being a user with the normal stars :)
And i also got a opinion about a mod, or maybe it called himself SUPER MOD, i don't care you're just a mod and that's all, but i prefer not to show you guys my opinion, cause i already talked once with this person and if i continuing doing this that person will call me rude.. anyway just a opinion :)

[Esturk]

I could be a mod. Well... maybe not.:D

[Shiori]

I think it's definitely more than just being helpful now, IMO. Since we're all just human, I think you should also be humble enough to realize when you have wronged, and to admit it. In the admin business, there's always the potential to misjudge people's intentions and inadvertently hurt some members' feelings in the process of enforcing the rules of the board. And admittedly, it can sometimes be tough to go back on a decision you've made as an admin. There's always pride to overcome, and that could be tough.

As a former team captain of a university football team, I've made numerous quick decisions that decided the fate of my team in games. Most of them were the right ones, but some of them failed miserably. And after the game, it's tough to face the disappointed faces of your team members who trusted you to pull them through in crunch time, and I could just have said, "We just didn't get any breaks, I definitely KNOW I made the right call", but nevertheless I still made sure that I swallow my pride, apologize to the whole team and took the blame for an erroneous decision I made whenever I think I have not done enough planning and strategy on my part.


A good leader make good decisions every time, but a great leader is one who admits he makes wrong ones from time to time. Confidence is a good trait, but humility is better, because it's much more rare to find it within a person in a position of responsibility.

[Snake785]

Nobody's perfect. Everyone makes mistakes. But the most important thing is to learn from them.

[Samor]

thanks for mentioning me, shiori. :)

and , yes, there are more than enough admins...however, it seems quite a lot of them aren't around much lately.

[Skye]

With all the lamers around Why am I not Surprised?

[Esturk]

Perhaps we need some "fill in" mods. For when the others are not around. I agree, there have been a slew of lamers lately.

[Strider]

hmm, i dont really have a problem with apologizing, but i think i might misuse the mod/admin powers if i would get them because of personal opinions on others when making decisions rather than choosing what is just and humble

[Cless]

if you go by what strider said i am ruled out...or my sig rules me out.

[CKemu]

With regards to the lack of admins around, I to have noticed that they are not present that much, and perhaps extra mods are needed, but I guess that is for them to decide!

[Takmadeus]

I decided it...... if I have to vote someday to elect an admin, it will be shiori...

not just because she (or he) :p is wise, but has the ability to know who is worth of being an admin, and also because always tries to enhance this forum in his very own way....

[dn]

nice article. i noticed i have been mentioned ANYWHERE in this thread :) not sure if that is good or bad :p whats peoples opinion of me ? i regard myself of a general nobody (depsite being on the main site regualrly !

*EDIT*
I didn't join NGEmu for the mod status. I had signed up to the boards before, but didn't really post :( then magically i went to post one day (post ngemu member) and i had some wee red stars beside my name :)

[Ryos]

> whats peoples opinion of me ?

You're a lamer. j/k

You don't post here very often (except for news, of course), so it's kind of hard to say.

[Betamax]

My flat in belfast is like only a few minutes from his place, so you would have thought I know Dixon, however the daft thing is I don't (apart from the forums). The ironic thing is that I could have been standing behind him in the queue at tescos this morning and I wouldn't have known it.

[CKemu]

Then perhaps you awt to go pay him a visit! (PS: Nice place to shop, but for cheaper food, try Iceland!). Dixon, my opinion of you, hmmm, dunno, your kinda just a guy, with red stars that does some posting to me, u seem nice enough sure, but really are you nice.

Shiori would make a good mod, but then again what particually makes a good mod, I mean I offer advice, chat, and have been around awhile, but you don't c everyone screaming for me to be a mod!!

To be honest I don't know anyone that joined to get some form of 'digital' power, to be honest I think many newbies almost get a thrill from watching there post counts up, which is particually naff, (though I did think 1000 posts (yes I had that once) was pretty cool, or was that sad!! :D ), but some people tend to think that being a mod is almost a penis extension!!

I think new mods are needed, but admitally the current situation is working well as there arn't too many lamers about, and the lame posts don't seem to be lasting long at all (ahh the power of banning), but with new consoles comes new lamers asking for an emu of the lastest stuff, and a don't know how the mods would cope if there was an onslaught of lamers.

M2PW (My 2 Pence Worth)

[Bobbi]

Huh, holy **** what a long thread, took quite some time to read all the opinions and comments, but they are certainly appreciated. Let's see ... first off, I heard my name way too often in here (sometimes in combination with Thorgals) ... while I'm actually the one fixing server side problems like PHP errors, server slowdowns etc., the actual content of the forum is rarely my responsiblity ... people like our admin staff here and of course the amazing big community create it ... Thorgal also stepped back a bit from NGEmu, but still is in a *very* high position when it goes about deciding NGEmu stuff ...
So what does this mean ? Decissions here are often not done by Thorgal and me, but rather by the complete admin staff ... to understand this a bit better ...

Emuforums and NGEmu are in some ways a combination, in some they aren't ... what does this mean ? On the one hand, a person can be very active on NGEmu, be very active and keen, but on the other hand rarely be seen on Emuforums (me ? dixon ?).
On the other hand, a person can be a mod on Emuforums while he isn't even working on NGEmu's main page. Through this split, there're several things you need to keep in mind:[list=1]
Back when we started Emuforums, a decission has been made that any NGEmu (mainpage) newsposter/member etc. will be upgraded to admin status on Emuforums (we didn't have super mod status back then), and we're still doing that these days ... the minute someone is a news poster, he also gets upgraded here - and I think that's fine.
The decissions on Emuforums are done by quite a number of people ... all mods and admins got the possibility to voice their opinions before the decission is being done, most times by the person who suggested it. On the other hand, mainpage/server decissions are mostly made by a very small number of people ....
There usually were times where we were in need for mods and admins, but right now, I'd guess we really have enough ;) However, we *still* could upgrade people to the emu author/mod/admin status right now, as new members could join the mainpage, new emu authors join the board and so on ...
[/list=1] Somehow I could write on for days now, but I'll get to an end, this thread contains sooooo much text already anyway ;) Keep going guys to make Emuforums one of the largest and best emulation boards out there, and always keep in mind how many different people are actually responsible for this !

[Xeven]

hmm.. wasn't gonna reply to this, but since Shiori mentioned me in his post, i might as well.

Well what can i say, i neither joined the board looking for a job to be an admin nor did i ever go looking for the "fame" that comes to being one. In the old days, the board served kinda like an escape from my really hectic real life. As time passed it became a place to be with friends. Course, i didn't want anybody taking me seriously round here, just wanted to have fun. And what do you know, i made some programs here and there while i was at it. I never set out to have the highest postcount nor did i want those red stars. :eyes: Although, admittedly it was fun beating your buddy by a couple of posts, it was just a byproduct "hanging-out" with friends. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. But when carried out to an extent that it's the only reason somebody posts in this board or anywhere else, i ask, what IS the point? I wish i can just knock the living **** out of some people sometimes, but i guess nobody can really do that except those people themselves. Unless of course, they've pretty much lost all capacity to make sense, well i guess nobody can do anything at all. So to cut it short, Just try to have Fun, who knows, something good might happen.

--
Xeven

[Esturk]

I have a suggestion. Emu Authors could have different colored stars then Mods or Admins. Maybe Green for Authors and Red for Mod's? Admins would have Blue. I think it would be cool.:cool:

[Kane]

Blue ain't a good colour for stars on this site, however seperating mods and emu-author's colors might not be a bad idea, so that noobs aren't confused.

[Strider]

spectral stars for admins ;) all the colours of the rainbow

[Xeven]

and why don't we just change it to the color of ***** while we're at it. ;)

[Esturk]

Whoah geez. It was just a cool suggestion.

[Omega]

Bad mood ppl whoa :(

[EfrainMan]

Xeven went postal . . .

But it does sound kinda kewl, IMO.

[REi_FoX]

change it...

te forums might look like a girl forum...

(imagine too many colors on a thread...)

and one ting more it would be another queation for noobs

[EfrainMan]

That's true. Imagine getting a thread a day of people askin' "What are the different color stars for?". :eyes:

[Xeven]

sorry guys, things just have been kinda crappy lately.

[REi_FoX]

thinking of it maybe two colors are better just for admins-red
for users-yellow...

and one thng i see the star thing is fixed...

[Omega]

Originally posted by Xeven
sorry guys, things just have been kinda crappy lately.

np xeven you know we all love you in anyway good/bad mood :D

[CKemu]

and hell ya mainly in a good mood 'most' of the time, but otherwise I think to many 'classifications' of people might make things alittle worse, but perhaps just one more for EMU authors/plugin auths, might be a good idea, it would highlight the fact that they are VERY well informed and relevent people to the community.

[REi_FoX]

ok the last word for all of the members here new or old...

we came here to have fun talking to each other and not to fight over with something...

the main thing is that we help each other here for plugin trouble shooting and getting to know the latest news adn check out about one thing we all have...

FRIENDS ...

[Hydra]

Very true but you have to admit they do look good on me.:D

[Shiori]

The end of the world must be near... :eek:

[Hydra]

Ah you kid but it hurts deep inside.

[Esturk]

I still think that emu and plugin authors should have different colors than Mods and Admins. Geez 3 colors total.

[Omega]

I agree with Esturk, but we should not star a discussion about the colors plz :mad:

[Raziel]

And I'm not even mentionned ;).

[Samor]

you shouldnt worry about that; I dont get mentioned most of the time either (this being an exception) ;)

[CKemu]

awwwww, bless, and damn you have one hell of alot of posts, so perhaps ypu shoulda been mentioned (that and youv'e been a great help for quite some time now) perhaps he just forgot u due to caffine lose!!

[Shiori]

If it should be some form of consolation, I even forgot myself. ;) :D j/k

...hey, i got view #1000 for my thread. :p

[ShADoWFLaRe85]

This is a popular topic...

I'm sure there are quite a few other people that are capable of being mods, Shiori just forgot to mention them. Although, we ALL know of their capabilities. :)

[ariano_romanov]

Can I speak here...?
I think I can...I am a registered member here...
This is absolutely the best non-plugin or non-emulator thread that I ever read...

...maybe...please "ignore" the stars, just do what you can do to make this forum better.

PS: I think we may have a poll to choose next admin or supermod or mod.

[Zeke_D]

Personally I want green stars. I just think the contrasy the blu background nicely.

[Kane]

Is it really nessacery to ressurect all these oldish threads?

[Esturk]

Blue and Red look good. Just leave it.

[Prafull]

Sorry Shiori but this thread doesnt makes any sense now.

[Shiori]

Eh? it's not redundant.... :confused: I don't see a similar thread elsewhere.

I don't think it warrants a lock though... not because I started the thread, but because someone in the future might post a useful, constructive comment about us. It might be useless for now, but it certainly won't get useful anytime soon if it's locked.

So, unlocking. Nothing personal.