avatar constraints

[Strider]

i dont have a problem with the file size constraints of an avatar but what about the physical size of the image... most titles are longer than the person's image... i think the pixels could be 80x80 (or so)and it wouldnt have that much of an effect on ngemu. What do you guys think about this?

EDIT: oops i typed in the wrong type of your in the poll btw, only choose the 3rd option if you have no opinion

[Kellicros]

That's a great idea for me, but let's see what Bobbi has to say. ;)

[Strider]

it is bobbi's decision in the end, but my opinion is that there wouldnt be a problem making the dimensions bigger if the size constraints were still the same and if the page layout wasnt changed at all... just look at evil squall's 10 red stars .. theyre much longer than his pic, its not like if the pic would be longer it would stretch out the page.

sincerely,
Strider

[Lizking]

i think they should stay the same for one reason only:
i make my own avatars. all the other boards i go to have the constraints set to 65x65, so thats how big i make my avatars. if its 80x80, itll stretch it and get all ugly.

[Keith]

it will not stretch it

[zerocopy]

The bigger the better

[Ryos]

Er...that's the reason why it's at where it's at. The problem is that the bigger the avatar limits are, the more likely people are to throw big avatars in there, both in pixel and physical size.

[Strider]

the 15k size constraint can still remain, its just that 80x80 would be a little better because you have to really shrink most images when making an avatar, and then in 65x65 theyre too small to still have visible details. Most images i have to cut off the person's body just so that you can recognize who it is

sincerely,
Strider

[zrepiV]

well... the bigger the restrictions, the more freedom we get for making our avatars. so, i vote "yes" to al gore being president........ oh wait, wrong place.

[ShADoWFLaRe85]

I see this as a good idea. That's a good point that titles and start stretch beyond the avatar. People that have already created 65 x 65 avatars shouldn't have a problem with this, because they shouldn't stretch, but remain the same size.

[Strider]

80x80 is just an asking size, i would think we could pull off 100x100 but then again it would be a little too big... its just that 65x65 makes the little details sort of invisible, take my current avatar's eyes for example, theyre barely there.

sincerely,
Strider

[ShADoWFLaRe85]

Your avatar has eyes? :p

[G-Pitts]

Yeah, good idea... I agree with this nice idea. :)

[Bobbi]

We can increase the level - doesn't mean that you *have* to use an avatar of 80x80 ... I guess we'll listen to the needs of the public here ?

[Shadow Lady]

I dont think there is a problem whit it, as far as I can still get mine working ^^

We can increase the level - doesn't mean that you *have* to use an avatar of 80x80 ... I guess we'll listen to the needs of the public here ?

explain ^^

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[Auri87]

i agree, a bigger avatar size would be better :)

[Neojag]

i think ill let mine 65x65 anyway...

[Keith]

I still remember when it was 50x50 and I talked Bobbi into 65x65 .. I too agree 80x80 would be good as long as the actual image file size still stays limited to current limit.

[Strider]

well, thanks for the support, and shadowflare, yes raziel has eyes, theyre just beady glowing white :p. Making the boundary limit higher would not force people to make a new avatar as bobbi stated, but rather give more freedom. I hope bobbi allows the limits, it looks like he isnt displeased with my suggestion, so thats a good start.

sincerely,
Strider

[Shiori]

15KB is still generous. A move to 80x80 with the same file size limits wouldn't be all bad I suppose....

And while I'm on the topic of suggestion, may I suggest including .rar files in the list of allowable attachments?

[G-Pitts]

A rar files? thats a good idea, rar compression is better than zip so thats mean less download time and save the server HD space.

[ShADoWFLaRe85]

I can't argue with that :)

[Strider]

not to mention winrar is a lot easier to use than winzip... and also winrar has those winrar self extracting files... but i believe this should become a thread in itself since its gonna drag this one way offtopic

sincerely,
Strider

[Omega]

I use both of them, but most of ppl use Winzip

[Cless]

i like this idea i never bothered with making my custom avatar for 2 reason first off can't find a good delita pic and second if i could it would too small see to anything.

[zrepiV]

Originally posted by Strider
not to mention winrar is a lot easier to use than winzip... and also winrar has those winrar self extracting files... but i believe this should become a thread in itself since its gonna drag this one way offtopic

sincerely,
Strider

i believe that winace has a little better compression ratio than winrar does. winzip is quite easy to use, but it's for those beginners. not to mention that zip files can easily coppurt via transers. rar files can be SFV checked with SFV files and SFV Checker, and winace is just plain good.

[G-Pitts]

If you want the best compression, go for .jar and .cab format. Winrar is better than winace because it still actively being develop and released. Winace in the other hand contain spyware(the old version) and lack of update.

[Hydra]

Yup this idea make sence.

[Cless]

when will this go in to effect?

[Strider]

i dunno... but i hope after the "guest" problem is resolved. I'd much rather be able to login with my normal user than to to be able to make a new avatar for a user i cannot use

sincerely,
Strider

[Esturk]

I think 15k is way too small. Especially for animated gif's. The dimensions are fine but the size could be bigger. At least 50000 bytes. Look at overclockers.com they have 100x100 avatars and max size of 100k. Also, a larger size limit allows for some really cool animated avatars

[Strider]

actually... i disagree with you there... 1: the dimensions are too small to be able to see details 2: if it was 100k every fool out there would make a big avatar and it would use up way too much bandwidth and it certainly wouldn't help the page's loading speed.

sincerely,
Strider

[G-Pitts]

100k avatar size limit is too big. The page will take too long to load for 56k modem like me. I completely disagree with you.

[Esturk]

I still think 50k is a good size. And not everybody will have an anim ated gif that's exactly 50k.

[G-Pitts]

I know that not everyone will use the maximum size but it still take too much bandwidth because I believe everyone will create a fancy new avatar(25+ kb in size). The page loading time will increase 2 to 3 times for people with slow connection.

[Nezzar]

...not to talk about the more bandwith caused by this. (dunno if it would be really *that* much)

[Kellicros]

Yeah, bandwith is expensive you know?

[Esturk]

F**k it then. Close the damn thread. It's not going to change anything anyways.

[Shiori]

Dimensions could be raised a bit without seriously compromising filesize limits. An additional 5K to bring it to 20K oughta do it.

So is this "avatar dimension change" proposal even being seriously considered?

[Esturk]

Probably not!

[Shiori]

Let's see what the Main Man has to say about this then.... assuming Bobbi's even aware of this. :p

[G-Pitts]

Bobbi know about this, read the first page of this thread. He said he want to see public opinion about this.

[Strider]

"We can increase the level - doesn't mean that you *have* to use an avatar of 80x80 ... I guess we'll listen to the needs of the public here ?" -bobbi...

actually i think he said that he will listen to what the opinion was at that time, which is basically what it is now. I think he's just been busy with a lot of other stuff or forgot about this... oh well...

sincerely,
Strider

[Shadow Lady]

sure like preparing NGEmu 2.0 :P
life sucks -_- ...

[Strider]

most likely. I think it takes a lot of work maintaining a big site like this, wouldnt wanna be walking in his shoes...

sincerely,
Strider

[Strider]

I know im sorta double posting but i just wanted to get everyone's attention. It seems the new constraints have been added in, if you care to take a look at ryos' new avatar, its 80x80. Well, im not sure who altered the board settings but thanks. Now that the suggestion has been granted, i dont believe there is a need for this thread to continue, im glad to see my suggestion was allowed, but now, its time to stop talking and start making myself a new avatar :) If an administrator or mod sees this, i believe you should close this before it goes offtopic. :) Have a nice day,

Sincerely,
Strider

[Esturk]

Remember Ryos has the power to make his avatar any size he wants. But who cares it's fine the way it is. Bobbi's probably busy and we shouldn't bother him anymore.

[Ryos]

Yep, the avatar limits are still at 65x65. I have no idea when they might be changed. This avatar didn't look right in 65x65, so I had to bump it up a bit.

[Strider]

hmm... i see... probably should have tried it before i talked...

sincerely,
Strider

[Cless]

Ah! strider the attacker of double posters double posted. Today was a good day.

[G-Pitts]

He posted a day after the first post :) I dont mind about double posting but I mind triple posting ;)

BTW, when will Bobbi see this thread again. I want to use my bigger avatar :p

[Strider]

so... i wonder if this is going to get ratified, i think everyone forgot about this crusade

[Esturk]

I guess they did.

[Strider]

nope... i just tried it, still not working

[Esturk]

Of course it's not working. Nothing has been changed as a result of this thread.

[Strider]

it seemed like we had quite a momentum going before though, even some admins backed it up, and bobbi said he would consider the opinion of the public somewhere on the first page, i guess we all forgot about it

[Esturk]

Ya. Oh well. There are other places where we can have huge avatars. There are reasons why they have the constraints.

[Strider]

yeah, but if you read this thread before you would know i wasnt asking for a 300 pixel avatar, only 80, thats 15 extra pixels for width and length, most titles and stars take up more space, and the size of the avatar could remain 15 kb, those were my main arguments considering that its sometimes hard to squeeze details into a small constraint

[Esturk]

I was not asking for 300pixels either. I think 100x100 is the best. Though 80x80 is good too. I don't think there's a big size difference.

[Strider]

yeah, which means nothing would really change, cept there could be a little more detail inside our avatars

[Esturk]

Which would be nice.:)

[Strider]

hmm, glad we're on the same page then, i wouldnt have revived this thread if someone said "yes" or "no" to the idea but i think we all just forgot

[Esturk]

Either we forgot or we gave up the idea.:)

[Skye]

Need to get rid of the lamerz first then we will see.

[Esturk]

I suppose all the problems as of late have put our idea on hold. Let's just wait and see what happens. And try and help as much as we can. There's nothing we can do about the lamers right now. The worst thinng we can do is leave. Especially since 90% of the mods have dissapeared.

[zrepiV]

Originally posted by Esturk17
I was not asking for 300pixels either. I think 100x100 is the best. Though 80x80 is good too. I don't think there's a big size difference.

100 X 100 would be really nice but, then we would have to boost up the filesize limit to like 20 kb, since, i had to do alot of tweaking for my avatar to be less than 15 kb while it was in 85 X 85, heh, even ask strider about that. but then again, 100 X 100 would be a nice idea although, let's just stick with 85 X 85 for now

[Kane]

I pointed out in another thread that it isn't really a good idea to increase the filesize as people will take advantage of this, slowing the site for those that use dial up connections. Already you see the people who have increased thier avatars to 85x85 ( I will myself when I get back to my computer)

[Strider]

u mean something like this?

[Kane]

Yeah, like the one I use on a certain other site :D

[Strider]

btw if u didnt notice i resized it... and it looks pretty close to what u have now... feel free to use it btw

[Kane]

Thx, but I'll wait till I'm back at my pooter :p

[Strider]

alrite... where are you now? anyways... im gonna go figure out what to do... i guess im gonna go play d2 ...

[Kane]

... Suppose I should have updated my location before :lol:

[Esturk]

The size limit is still 15K. My new 85x85 avatar weighs in at a hefty 1.09K. It's a GIF. My fullsize Esturk avatar at 100x100 weighs in at 1.18K. Not too big a difference I'd say.

[Kane]

What I'm getting at is that people with detailed avatars might get lazy about jpeg compression.
My one should be relatively small as it's monochrome, and if people are sensible about compression, then it might work. There are enought lazy people out there to spoil it tho.

[Strider]

well... its not really monochromatic... black and white are opposites :p

[Esturk]

Yeah. It's Grayscale. Like my new 486 Laptop I picked up for $5 Canadian.

[Omega]

Talking about bigger avatars anyone knows a homepage with those "bigger" ones, i found one once but can't remember it's address