MGS and MGS2

[Player-X]

What's diffrent about them(Gameplay not grafix and story)

[Carmofin]

in MGS2 you get two new items.
that's about it ;)

[Kane]

Yuo can also flip over railings. It's pretty much the same tho.

[Fenrir]

what's the ending of mgs2? is snake still lives again or the story ends there.

[Hanamichi]

Longer story and the ability to hide in lockers ;)
IMO, MGS2 has a crappy ending. I know they were trying to make Arsenal look like a high-tech MG, but what exactly is that place you are in when battling the MGS Rays ? Maybe there will be UFO's in MGS3 ? MGS has a hella better ending.
The beggining part is great and the middle is nice tho. At least they make sense.

[Cajunspirit]

You can put down magazines.
You can flip ova railings.
You can slap guys in their sleep.
You can shoot pidgeons.
You have cool bkini clad chick posters.
You get to play as someone other than Snake.
You can hold a stick up.
Your footprints stay if you recently came outa water.
You can catch a cold.
You can get pooped on.
You can get pissed on.
You can get really pissed.
You have total control ova da ninja sword.
You can hear cool pyro in da beggining.
You can get Raiden to cartwheel flip.
Characters are visible in the conversations via the communicator thingy.
You can hear what your characters thinking.
You can throw guards off or into stuff!
And that's all I can rememba from a game I beat last 2 months ago!

[Ninjaa]

MGS2 sucks.

MGS rocks.

That's my input on that one. I just finished MGS2 last week, and I felt really let down. The gameplay was funner than MGS, simply because you could do more, but the plotline was confused and stupid.

[Zell]

Can say MGS2 sucks i never played , still waiting for the pc version.

[Cless]

MSG2's first level on the tanker was cool it went downhill from there and fast in my opinion.

[Andronicus]

Originally posted by Zell
Can say MGS2 sucks i never played , still waiting for the pc version.

Maybe it will be release for PC after 3 or 4 years. :)

[ShADoWFLaRe85]

I kinda got lost somewhere in the beginning of MGS2 and have yet to resume play. Maybe I'll do that when I get bored one of these days.

[kung-fu_jesus]

mgs2 is the best game ever

[Kane]

Originally posted by ShADoWFLaRe85
I kinda got lost somewhere in the beginning of MGS2 and have yet to resume play. Maybe I'll do that when I get bored one of these days.
Ditto. I started playing it, but then got sidetracked by FFX, and have never got back to it.

[carnage179]

Originally posted by Ninja
MGS2 sucks.

MGS rocks.

That's my input on that one. I just finished MGS2 last week, and I felt really let down. The gameplay was funner than MGS, simply because you could do more, but the plotline was confused and stupid.

Yaa, someone else who agrees with me. Maybe I should re-post my MGS2 Rant with some new stuff in it.

[Ninjaa]

Yeah, you should. I would like to hear it. There are just way too many people that are wowed too much by the graphics to notice that the plot stunk.

[Cajunspirit]

Plot Stunk?
SAAAAYY WHAAAT?
I actually was suprised now and then man that is heavily your opinion!

[carnage179]

After playing the first 2 for MSX, I disliked this one even more.

[Cajunspirit]

MSX???? What???:confused:

[Cdskribbles]

Hey u guys 4 got rolling or cartwheels..... and i thought both metal gears where great!!! And prt 2 was good cuz i understood the ending!!

[Hydra]

I though the ending was a bit too much.

[carnage179]

*spoilers*

Me too. With the part where you learn that the patroits had set it up as a big test, and AG, the bight sub thingimajig was just stuped. Also, fortune being able to have bullets move out of her way, and vamp being able to run on water, getting shot in the head and still living, fighting him, then sending him into the water making it all red, and him still being a live after all thoes things happen(if different parts of the game I remind you) was really dumb. I found solidus just a boring old geezer, with a crappy, bulky looking suit to be very borring. Plus he had thoes tenticals on it were just stuped too. When you fight him makes a triangle of fire which makes no sence. Plus he tells raidian(the second character you are) that he killed his parents, why would I care? Snake was alot cooler than raidian, and I found the twist at the end of MGS to be better. In MGS you learn that snake and liquid are brothers and clones of Big Boss. MGS2's twists just sucked compared to that.

I would of found liquid to be a better bad guy. In a way he is snake! They are exactly the same. Solidus(I hate his name) is just a wannabe rip off of Big Boss. Liquid was more interesting and had a more interesting motive. Soidus wanted to give freedom back to the people. That's not that interesting. Like I said, I would rather have liquid back. He is more interesting, cool character that is the same as the main one. I could of thought of a way to bring him back.

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I'm going to stop now, and say the rest of the suff in my revised MGS2 rant.

[systemid]

if u guys didnt undertand it u must not understand anything. I thought the plot was great cant wait for the next mgs3

[Hanamichi]

neoid, I wouldnt say that a person doesnt understand the plot if he doesnt like it. I myself find the plot ok, but MGS' was much better. Especially the part where raiden fights the Rays. Snake had trouble taking on a Rex in MGS, and Ray was designed to wipe the floor with Rex's , and there we have Raiden taking on 6 Rays, while Kojima said Raiden's a rookie. If Snake is a legend, Raiden is god I guess.

[Ninjaa]

neoid, I understood the plot very well, thank you very much. It was just stupid though.

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First of all, I would like to get my hatred for Raiden out of my system. He is this stupid punk kid who will not stop yacking at his girlfriend for anything. I was extremely tempted to skip the cinematics everytime he talked to her (normally I like cinematics.) Combine this with the fact that his personality is totally wrong. Solid Snake was one of my favorite characters of all time, and Raiden is absolutely no replacement for him. I would imagine that this problem will be fixed somewhat in the new version of MGS 2 due out later this year. Apparently you can play through the game as Solid Snake.

Second problem with the game? Dead Cell. As carnage already said, they were completely unrealistic. You have a vampire, a woman who cannot be hit by weapons, and a mad bomber. The only one of those that I liked was the mad bomber. Like the characters in MGS, he was still in the bounds of reality. However, I have a real problem with fighting a freaking vampire in a Metal Gear game. I could really care less how cool the character is (I like Fortune a lot), they simply do not belong.

Next point. Closer to the end of the game, you start to realize that the Patriots have made the whole thing in the image of Shadow Moses. Why? Well, I guess that Kojima was too lazy to think up a new plot, or gameplay, so he dropped back in all the old scenarios and made the plot fit for it. It really irritated me that the whole time I was playing the game I was thinking "Been there done that, but with a cooler character". That was until I got to the end, and all the spy vs spy crap started happening. Around here, the story just got polluted beyond repair. It became just one big elaborate conspiracy theory. The first MGS ended sort of like that too, but the game still had direction. You had to stop Metal Gear, and prevent a nuclear weapon launch. All purpose was simply lost in MGS 2. You take on 10 Rays like they were nothing, and then do a bunch of other impossible ****. Now before you tell me that I didn't understand, I DID! I just didn't like it.

Basically, I didn't encounter anything new in MGS 2. Everything there was already done, but much better in MGS. I liked the tanker level in MGS 2, and then it just sucked a little more with every minute from that point in. This trend continues right up until the ending, where it gets to the point that the suck factor is just way too high. The game is ended at that point probably out of mercy. The game was way short, but at that point I didn't care. I was glad to be done.

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[Cajunspirit]

If this game was longer and you got to use the ninja sword more it'll be 10/10 in my books!