Your views on the new Zelda for game cube.

[Hydra]

I think it's ok a bit stupid looking but hey Zelda will probably still be great.

[Ninjaa]

I think it's cool. But shouldn't this be in Game Discussion? I don't see where this has anything to do with N64.

[Kane]

It's not bad, but I'm not gonna rush out and buy a game/console on strength of graphics anyway.
/Kane recalls the quick demise of the X-Box

[Hydra]

Yeah your right sorry about that.

[Hydra]

I think it's ok looking, but I was hoping this game could show us the power GameCube has.

[Ninjaa]

It has. I think that it's the best tech demo for the system to date. The graphics are AMAZING from a technical standpoint.

[Hydra]

Not what we all expected after seen the demo clip of GameCubes power.

[mattybones]

i am saving right now for the gamecube just for the same reason i got a 64 ZELDA :)

[Hydra]

I want Super Smash Bro Melee as well:D

[Betamax]

Originally posted by Ninja
I think it's cool. But shouldn't this be in Game Discussion? I don't see where this has anything to do with N64.

Agreed and Moved.

[Ninjaa]

The game might not be ultra-realistic like the original demo, but that doesn't mean it uses any less power. Cel shaded graphics are hard to do, especially with the quality that exists in the Zelda game.

As for the graphics themselves, they are quite retro, and I love that aspect. The settings and enemies are excellent. Link's model isn't that great, but I heard that Nintendo has changed the model a little bit to make him look better.

[<Id>]

I think this game looks and sounds really cool 2. THe cel-shaded graphics remind me of the Link to the Past Zelda. That game was awesome. I think this game has a lot of potential. I'm not even so sure if I would've wanted to see an uber-realistic zelda. I don't think it fits the style.

[Esturk]

I haven't seen it yet, but I'm sure it's pretty cool.

[Asz]

Yeah, Zelda looks great, I can't wait for it, because no matter what it looks like (think about the 1st Zelda :P ) it will still have great gameplay. I didn't think the 64 Zelda game was good untill I actually played it, thats the reason I traded my PSX for a 64.

P.S. - I can't wait for RE! It's coming out the 1st of next month! I got a chance to play the japanese version and it's really really really great, I CAN'T WAIT!!!!

[ShADoWFLaRe85]

I'm not to optimistic about how this game looks, but I'm going to wait until it is released to truly judge it. Like has been said many time before, it's the gameplay that counts, not the graphics.

[Hydra]

I agree and I think the graphic would have ruined the whole feel the other games have given off.

[Nameless]

Yeah, but it would be pretty dumb of Nintendo to let a title like Zelda slip into the bad game section....It's way too important to them...and to us :). Only time will tell

[flatbush27]

the game looks stupid, but that doesn't mean gameplay will. the new look of link is kinda stupid, i mean those earrings and a shorter chin. he almost looks like a girl(hes supposed to be a boy). but that wont stop me from getting the game. zelda has always been my favorite line of games.

[Esturk]

What's this? Earrings for link! OMFG. This is terrible. Mr Miyamoto must be on crack again. And perhaps eating some of those magic mushrooms from marioland.

[Nameless]

U gotta hand to the guy, though. He's got some wild imagination

[flatbush27]

Originally posted by Esturk17
What's this? Earrings for link! OMFG. This is terrible. Mr Miyamoto must be on crack again. And perhaps eating some of those magic mushrooms from marioland.

didn't you play Ocarina of Time? adult Link had earrings in that game too. if you look at link's ears when you're floating in the sky at the end of the game, you see them clearly. i think its the first game in which Link decided to go punk.

[ShADoWFLaRe85]

Yes, that's true. Link, the charcacter has always had earrings, IIRC. If you looked in the instruction manuals and such you could see them. They didn't really become visible in game play until the 64 versions.

[Ryos]

Yeah, Link's had earrings for a while now (maybe he always did. I should try tracking down my Zelda and Zelda 2 manuals some time). I've already stated what I think about the new look. :p BTW, Gamepro just did a poll on that recently. Maybe I should go get the results for that when I have the chance.

[evil aloha]

I not seen it yet (too bad....), but everyone who i asked said that it's a great game....

[ShADoWFLaRe85]

Originally posted by evil aloha
I not seen it yet (too bad....), but everyone who i asked said that it's a great game....
How did the people you asked know about that? This game hasn't even been released yet.

[evil aloha]

u believe if i say that i posted in the wrong tread.... :rolleyes:

sorry about that....

[Cajunspirit]

I think the new look is jes too whack!
But that is jes one downside if the gameplay sucks aswell all hopes for Nintendo will be gone!(It seems it's up to Mario san)

[Ninjaa]

eh? bad gameplay? The last Nintendo game that I can remember that I didn't think was all that fun to play was Yoshi's Story, and even that did have some redeeming qualities. It certainly wasn't crap. I have trust that this new Zelda will be just as good as the others.

[Carmofin]

bleh, don't you people ever learn?
a zelda game is always going to be a fantastic experience no matter what :p
I'm happy if he just changes the eyes of Link, that's all i want.
Everything else can stay cartoonish as it is, it only returns to it's roots, because cartoonish is like the game has been on the SNES too!

[evil aloha]

Zelda vs Final Fantasy....

[Hydra]

Ohhh, touchy subject.

[Hydra]

Just looking at this post, this could change everything.


http://www.ngemu.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12369

[G-Pitts]

For me this game is pretty cool.

[Xkalibur]

Dont get me wrong i love Nintendo and have all thier consoles but i think they have condemed themselves to yet another major defeat in the console market. The main reason people bought the playstation was because the majority of its games were for mature players, where as the Nintendo 64 had mainly childs games. This was a total disapointment seeing that the Nintendo 64 was a much better console, that was just never used to its full potantial.

I think this new zelda game shows nintendos intent again for this console. Yet again they are making the mistake of aiming games at a much lower age group than everone else, this will inturn be thier downfall. How many 10 and 11 year olds have the money to buy a game console? not many. Thier parents might buy them one for christmas but this is still not enough to consider aiming for his age group. What about the amount of teenagers and people who are in thier early 20's? they would be able to buy a game console easily, they would have a job thus have money. Why would would you not aim games and consoles at this age group?

Nintendo seem intent on aiming tier consoles at the younger age group for some reason i do not undersatand, I just had my first look at the new Zelda game for gamecube and was bitterly disapointed. After seeing what i first saw of Zelda in 2000 i had extremely high hopes that Nintendo had decided to aim for a higher age group and thus more mature games. But after seeing what they have decided to do with the next Zelda i can only come to one conclusion and that is nintendo have no idea what they are doing at the moment.

I really hate to say this seeing i am an extreme fan of Nintendo and hove loved everything they have created but enough is enough. I think they need to grow up. Wouldn't it be a better idea to make games for the majority of gamers rather than the minority?

[Kane]

/Kane wait's for Ninja to retort about Resident evil and Eternal Darkness.
It's true that the image that is portrayed is kiddie, as people are focusing on the well publisiced games like Zelda nad Luigi.

[Xkalibur]

I may have gone a bit overboard on that previous post but i am really upset at what i saw when i had a look at the new version of Zelda. I would have really liked to have seen it take the more mature aproach seeing that this is the series of games most associated with nintendo, other than mario that is.

I just cant believe what i saw. Zelda would be one of my favorite games of all time. Its is the only reason i bought a Nintendo 64. I still have all the old games as well on the original NES (in mint condition i might add). I also own the one on SNES too. I was soo hoping to see a much more grownup game, seeing as the people that have played the games have aged so to should the age group that it is aimed at.

There may be some games on Gamecube that will be better suited for older gamers but still they are nothing compared to the series of Zelda. I remember queing outside the local shoppingcenter to get the first copy of Zelda Ocarina of time. I cant see this happening with the newest addition to the series. Nintendo should have realised by now that kids games are not the way to go. Zelda should be more, it should set the tone for every other game that is made for the Gamecube. It should be the title that is asociated with the gamecube, unfortunately i cant see that happening with the game looking the way it does at the moment.

[Ninjaa]

Kane, I read the post, but I wasn't going to reply with my usual rant this time. Nevertheless I will say a few words.

Zelda for GameCube is one of my most anticipated games at the moment. I think that cel shading is just what the game needed. Miyamoto-san wanted to keep the series true to its roots. With the N64 Zeldas, cel shading had not yet been developed, and the games used polygons of course, because sprites weren't feasable on the N64. Unfortunately, the N64 Zeldas became the vision of most gamers as to what the Zelda universe SHOULD look like. The older games in the series seem to be forgotten.

Miyamoto felt that with the polygonal characters, his original vision of what the game was about was lost. He thought the game was becoming way too mature rather than the light hearted adventure that was present in his original games. Cel shading seemed to be the perfect way out. He could once again make the game look the way it did in the old days while capitalizing on the power that the GameCube possessed. (Seriously, the settings, and enemies in the GCN Zelda look remarkably like the ones in A Link to the Past.)

My only problem with the GCN Zelda is the character model that has been used for Link. But Nintendo is supposed to have altered the model to make it look better. I am quite happy with that, and it resolves a lot of my fears about the game.

I am predicting now that the game will be quite successful in Japan. Japanese gamers seem to have a lot more open minds regarding animation than American gamers. Unfortunately, I know that a lot of American gamers will not give the game a chance, or immediately dismiss it as "kiddie", without even playing the game. You are correct on that one. However, in no way does that mean that Miyamoto made a mistake, or that the game will not be good. History has shown that Nintendo does not listen to the will of the gamers, and they simply make good games, however much the fans beg. They would undoubtedly be able to sell more copies had they kept the original models, but in this case, sales are not a concern. Miyamoto just wants to make the best game he can. The same as always. The game isn't aimed at a younger age group, it is simply aimed at hardcore Zelda fans, and anyone who likes a good adventure.

I don't see why you are saying that Nintendo is aiming at the younger age group though. As far as I can tell, GameCube has very few games that are aimed towards kids. Donald Duck and Tarzan seem to be the only kids games I can see. Luigi's Mansion is kind of in the middle, as I think that the game is a little hard for most kids. I enjoyed playing it a lot. But it's now more than ever before that Nintendo is concentrating on mature games. Silicon Knights is a Nintendo 2nd party, Resident Evil is GameCube exclusive, games are no longer being censored, (ala THPS3), and Metroid is being brought back from the dead. I see absolutely no problem in finding games that are aimed at my age group, or are at least very fun to play. I am 20 years old. I will be 21 soon.

Anyways, if you still hate the GCN Zelda's graphics, even after all this, just have faith. Miyamoto has never let me down before, and I can't see him starting now. Just give the game a chance, and play it. I'm sure that it will be another Nintendo masterpiece, and you will forget the graphics in short time. Just please don't dismiss it based on the graphics alone.

[Cless]

i don't like the zelda gpu i jsut think that is fits the game....i think celshading on top will be nice but i perfer more realistic approach.

[Xkalibur]

Nah i'm sorry if i came across too harsh but i have a lot of feelings towards the zelda series. I remeber playing when i was younger and have always played it on every nintendo console that ever came out. I would have to have one of the largest collections of snes games around i think, well its big for me (about 50). And out of all of them the most favorite of them would have been Zelda.

I was just shocked when i saw it, coz i was expecting this realistic version of a great game. I was just shocked to see that the great aspect of Ocarina of Time was lost and the game was turning back to the older meathod of visuals. Ocarina of Time brought the games to a more mature audiance.

From what i first saw of the next Zelda at E3 2000 i think the game was gonna be huge, the graphics if they were to be from the actual game were something never seen before. The detail, the realism it was all so brathtaking. But now to see that a game that probably could become the most appealing to everyone has become a game targeted and a select few.

You say Miyamoto has aimed this game at the die hard zelda fans. We all know that the playstation and playstation 2 at the moment is slaughtering the competition with an out of date console thet is quite powerless against the other consoles (gamecube & xbox). The way that Miyamoto seems to think is that nintendo will always be there, i hope it is but if games are continued to be aimed at a target few gamers then how can nintendo keep on fighting the war if they are not making money?

Look i am a hardcore gamer and an insane nintendo fan, even more so about the Zelda series but i dont know what to expect from this new Zelda game.

[Esturk]

Like I said before, Miyamoto has eaten too many Magic Mushrooms.....:D But Nintendo still makes awesome games. Especially Smash Bros Melee. My favorite GC game. The only GC game I have played.:)

[Ninjaa]

XCalibur, I really don't know what to tell you. The game will still be huge, and it will still be good. I assure you that the game will still sell many copies, and Nintendo won't be dying in the near future, least of all because of this one game. Nintendo doesn't do things like everyone else, and I am very thankful for that. It means that the series won't be going downhill anytime soon, because Nintendo doesn't recycle the same old crap, ala MGS 2.

I think that you should just wait for E3 2002 to really judge the game. At the moment, all we have to go on is a very early scene from the game, and the character models and settings have evolved a lot since then.

[Xkalibur]

Sometimes being different is a bad thing though, for Nintendo's sake i hope your right.

[Ninjaa]

Even if the game does flop (which I don't think will happen), I still applaud Nintendo. This is not a move that Sony or MS would make. Nintendo is willing to sacrifice selling a few copies in order to make the best game possible. That is the reason I am a good little fanboy, and I am happy to see that Nintendo has never left their principles.

[Xeven]

BS. The only principles that exist in the console/game industry is making cash.. That's about it.

>because Nintendo doesn't recycle the same old crap, ala MGS 2.

common man, RE? Zelda:OT, Zelda:MM Mario and mario tennis and mario golf and mario this and that.. and Luigi this and that.. They done their fare share of recycling games over and over. So please dont talk about "principles", coz there arent any. And what's the obsession with bashing other consoles other than Nintendo anyway, hell I have most of the freaking Nintendo consoles ever released, but i don't give a crap. I play playstation, sega games just find and i dont give a rat's ass on what console the game is on. You dont buy the console to defend it against other consoles.. you buy it to play games, and not all this jaded crap.

[Ninjaa]

I don't like Xbox. It speaks for itself.

I don't mind the PS2, I just like GameCube better. The PS2 at least has some pretty good games. It's just that the system lacks tuly GREAT games.

I defend the GameCube because it is the best out there, and has several games coming for it that will be GREAT.

I like Dreamcast. It was made by a company that also loved games, much like Nintendo. It had several GREAT games for it.

Nintendo often flies in the face of popular opinion to make the best possible game. I have seen it happen repeatedly, and the new Zelda is just further proof of that. Maybe my statement about MGS2 was a little harsh, but I seriously did feel let down by the game, and I had really high expectations of it.

Sony and Microsoft are here to make money. That is very true. That is all they do, and that's all that matters. Sega and Nintendo are also here to make money, but not in the extent that Sony or MS do. Sony and MS just care about getting big games for their consoles, and that's that. Quality doesn't enter into the equation. If it will sell well, then they will ship it.

Nintendo and Sega have a different viewpoint. They don't abuse their big names in the same manner, and make sure that they have the most high quality product as possible before it ships. Super Mario Bros, Donkey Kong Country, Star Fox, Sonic, Shining Force, Mario 64, Zelda, Goldeneye, Mario Kart and Metroid were all groundbreakers. More innovation has come from Nintendo and Sega than anywhere else. Nintendo invented the platformer, and reinvented it with the 3D platformer with Mario 64. FPS games were changed forever with Goldeneye, and let's not forget the first use of polygons in a console game with Starfox.

What has Sony done? Well, they have attempted to rip off Mario with Crash Bandicoot, they made Gran Turismo, which I must admit was pretty good, but nothing groundbreaking. Twisted Metal is merely Mario Kart with real cars, and just isn't as good.

I may be biased in Nintendo's favor, but I am pretty sure that I know what I am saying. I don't hate MGS2 because it's for Sony. There are plenty of Sony games that I like, and I will freely admit it. I just hate MGS2 because I thought it sucked.

[ShADoWFLaRe85]

I'm just wondering why a bunch of the game discussion threads turn into a flame war over which console is better. :p

[Xeven]

well, blame it on the fanboys. ;)

[Ninjaa]

Well, I wouldn't really call it a flame war. It was more like two fans of Zelda discussing whether the new Zelda will be good or not. Then things kind of lead into a discussion of whether or not Nintendo was making a grave mistake. I merely contrasted that with what the competition would have done in the same place.

Miyamoto san has publicly said that the reason he has stayed with Nintendo for so long was because Nintendo would let him do far more than any other developer would. He likes having the freedom. He used Pikmin as his example. It was a very high risk game, and Nintendo trusted him to make it good.

[Cless]

this is not a flame war i would know....but i agree with ninja that nintendo makes games differently then ms or sony becuase both of ms and sony got into consoles after they saw sega and nintendo make money off them.

[evil aloha]

Nops.... the guy who made the PlayStation (i forgot his name) was working in a new CD system to SNES! When the Nintendo fired him saying that a CD system isn't a good idea to a console, he went to Sony to avenge himself, making a console more powerful than the Nintendo ones!

[Cless]

and the great cd break by self from use becuase sony using ****ty parts..what a great cd system. And i besides the cd aspect of the playstation the i belieave the N64 is more powerfull. so basically the orginal breakstation would break itself...mabey Nintendo fired other reasons.

[ShADoWFLaRe85]

Okay, true...these conversations rarely reach 'flaming' standard, but this is pure example of what I'm talking about, right here:
evil aloha made a statement about the creation of the Playstation and delita, for some reason, found the need to attack the Playstation, veritably opening himself up for the fanboys to retaliate. I don't mind people explaining what they don't like about a certain system or game, but there's a proper and an improper way to do it....

[Cless]

the explantion as to why i don't like sony and thier breakstation systems...i think the name says it all.

[evil aloha]

Originally posted by delita
i belieave the N64 is more powerfull

dãã... The N64 is a 64-bits console and the PlayStation is a 32-bits console! Need I say more?? There is no reason to atack the others consoles if you don't like them... I really dislike the Sega ones, but you never saw me talking bad about them! ;)

[Esturk]

I've never had a problem with any of Sony's products.

[Hydra]

I like any console that has a good game. Why judge a console on its power or manufacturer?

[Cless]

there are two things that i judge a console on:
1: that is works
2: the games
I dislike sony becuase there systems do break and they don't care and they don't admit that the laser is bad..

[evil aloha]

1. Yeah, you are right...
2. The PS games are the best!

[Esturk]

Just because your laser wore out doesn't mean Sony is a bad company. My laser never had any problems. Besides lasers do wear out after a while. I have an old 6x CD-ROM in my old P133 and the laser is wearing out. It was manufactured in 1996 around the same time many people bought their Playstations. People will be bitc*in the same when their Game Cube laser gets worn in a few years too.

[Cless]

Originally posted by evil aloha
1. Yeah, you are right...
2. The PS games are the best!

Both breakstation one and two have had problems with faulty lasers. And Esturk17 i agree that the games matter more..but if you system breaks or you spend an hour just trying to get xenogears to boot you would complian about sony's bad job on the breakstation 2.

[Esturk]

Take it back and get it replaced. That's what warranties are for. Unless of course you didn't take advantage of the warranty. Mechanical hardware is due to fail at some point. Some much earlier than others. It's just the way it is.

[Cless]

i did have warrently luckly...but if you have system for less than year and it breaks you know something is wrong....my friend is on his 3rd ps2... I ps2 hasn't been out that long while some of my other friends still use thier snes and saturn with no problems. my ps laser died farely quickly too.

[Ninjaa]

Originally posted by Esturk17
Just because your laser wore out doesn't mean Sony is a bad company. My laser never had any problems. Besides lasers do wear out after a while. I have an old 6x CD-ROM in my old P133 and the laser is wearing out. It was manufactured in 1996 around the same time many people bought their Playstations. People will be bitc*in the same when their Game Cube laser gets worn in a few years too.

Well, the GameCube is new, and it isn't really time yet to see if the lasers are indeed faulty. However, GameCube has the advantage in that its laser is tried and true, and it's only job is to read GameCube DVDs. It doesn't have to do all the crap that the Sony laser does, such as read CDs, and the like. It should definately last longer than a few months.

But Nintendo also has a very good track record. I have seen plenty of SNES consoles survive incredible feats, such as being dropped 2 stories, survive house fires, and keep on working for 9 years after being sold. Counter this with the pile of PSones that I have seen junked due to faulty lasers.

I am not saying that this will be true in the GameCube's case, but the PSone, and the PS2 both have a slightly less than stellar reputation for quality.

[Esturk]

Yeah. But all of Nintendo's other consoles used cartridges. A lot of NES' have problems with the cartridge connecting properly. But can easily be fixed. Yep the PS2 does a lot more work. DVD's, CD's etc.

[Xeven]

> GameCube has the advantage in that its laser is tried and true, and it's only job is to read GameCube DVDs. It doesn't have to do all the crap that the Sony laser does, such as read CDs, and the like.

Tried and true? where? :rolleyes: You don't know much about electronics do yah? ;)

[Ninjaa]

Well, I do know that the PS2 laser is experimental in nature. Most lasers do not read both DVDs and CDs, yet in a cost cutting measure, that's exactly what the PS2 does.

There is nothing really experimental about a DVD laser.

[Cless]

PS2 laser was one of the first of it's kind IIRC yet sony hasn't tried to fix it..but i haven't never had problem with Nintendo and if the gc had any rpgs i would buy it.

[Ninjaa]

Announced GameCube RPGs. (wait until after E3 for the full list)

Gold Star Mountain
Final Fantasy
Evolution Worlds
Camelot RPG
Gift
Gothic
Lost Kingdoms
Mage
Namco RPG
Phantasy Star Online Episode 1 & 2
Skies of Arcadia
Tales RPG

[Xeven]

Originally posted by Ninja
Well, I do know that the PS2 laser is experimental in nature. Most lasers do not read both DVDs and CDs, yet in a cost cutting measure, that's exactly what the PS2 does.

There is nothing really experimental about a DVD laser.

eh? :eek: .. hehe, i'll just pretend i didn't read that before i get into twouble again.. :p

[Hydra]

This is going a bit off topic, not long before someone complains.
I don't care though.
Faulty lazers are a big problem but thankfully I've never had any problems, hmmm probably just jynxed myself :D

[Kane]

Originally posted by Ninja
Well, I do know that the PS2 laser is experimental in nature. Most lasers do not read both DVDs and CDs, yet in a cost cutting measure, that's exactly what the PS2 does.

There is nothing really experimental about a DVD laser.
So you're saying the lazer in my DVD drive is experimental as it reads bothe DVDs and CDs? And the one in my brother's 3 year old DVD drive is too I expect?

[Xeven]

hey, but i already didn't reply to that.. :p

[Kane]

I'm sorry, but I just can't be having with someone dissing a console with utter bull****

[Ninjaa]

Well, I would just like to say that maybe I'm not a total idiot.

The laser in your DVD-ROM is not one, but two lasers (or more). The first generation DVD-ROMs had some very big problems with reading CDs, because the color of the laser was different. The second generation was different in that they ADDED another laser to the drive to read CDs. The PS2 laser is based off of an ENTIRELY different principle.

Now I seriously don't care how biased you think I am. I always speak the truth as I know it, and I keep an impartial view of each console. I freely admit the PS2's good qualities, and I sometimes talk about Nintendo's big mistakes. But there is no way that you can tell me that the PS2's laser is good, while the Nintendo one is unreliable. It has been 6 months since the GameCube was launched, and I haven't heard of any problems to speak of, other than a deflated 'B' button on the controller. The PS2 had plenty of problems when it was 6 months old, and many of them continue to this day.

Lord Kane. Please inform me where I started spouting utter bull****. I am still a little confused about that. I know that Xeven doesn't like what I have to say because I dissed his favorite game.

[Kane]

I was referring to the experimental laser. I admit that Sony's production values appear to be somwhat poor, but I was reffering to what you having said not making any sense.

[Xeven]

Originally posted by Ninja
Well, I would just like to say that maybe I'm not a total idiot.

Lord Kane. Please inform me where I started spouting utter bull****. I am still a little confused about that. I know that Xeven doesn't like what I have to say because I dissed his favorite game.

hehe, that couldn't be too farder from the truth. Notice Ninja that however convincing to yourself the arguments you made, such as the comments you made on the laser and et . al. You do speak to a LOT of technical people around here, and forgive them if they find your're arguments totally unconvincing and technically unsound as well as more akin to hearsay. They may not show it most of the time, they do not want to flaunt their technical skills, but they are here. But sometimes, hearing and reading stuff like that, really pisses them off. For not only are you spreading totally unsound information, you basically have ZERO clue on what you are talking about. Inorder for anybody to criticize anything, he or she must have a valid standpoint and a good knowledge on the topic, otherwise its doesn't mean anything.. (*sigh*, why do i bother.. ) Umm, and finally, yeah, i changed the laser of my PS2 too coz i didn't like the pink color they painted on it.. haha! :D:D:D:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Esturk]

Glad someone knows what they're talking about.:)

[Xeven]

well, i figure that's not me you're talking about coz i don't know anything.. ;)

[Cless]

I like reading arguments a lot more than being in them.....and most already know my opinion of the bs2

[Esturk]

Originally posted by Xeven
well, i figure that's not me you're talking about coz i don't know anything.. ;)
Your a technician aren't you? It seemed you had your **** together.

[Ninjaa]

Alright then, would you care to enlighten me on the true operation of the PS2, and exactly why the lasers are faulty on it, while the GameCube lasers haven't had any problems yet?

What I have posted is what I have always been told, and if you have a better version, I would like to hear it. I am not as closed minded as you might think.

[Xeven]

Originally posted by Esturk17

Your a technician aren't you? It seemed you had your **** together.

hehe.. :p nope, im not a technician, im just a stoopid electrical engineer. ;)

[Xeven]

Originally posted by Ninja
Alright then, would you care to enlighten me on the true operation of the PS2, and exactly why the lasers are faulty on it, while the GameCube lasers haven't had any problems yet?

What I have posted is what I have always been told, and if you have a better version, I would like to hear it. I am not as closed minded as you might think.

you are missing the whole point. The discussion isn't about the lasers or whatever anymore. The whole point i was trying to make is that if you have arguments, then at least make sure they are sound as well as valid. Not making up sorry statements and totally unqualified comments. If you wanna argue, then argue with facts, not lamer talk.

[Ryos]

Originally posted by Xeven
you are missing the whole point. The discussion isn't about the lasers or whatever anymore. The whole point i was trying to make is that if you have arguments, then at least make sure they are sound as well as valid. Not making up sorry statements and totally unqualified comments. If you wanna argue, then argue with facts, not lamer talk. That argument sounds so much like CD, it's almost scary...

[Xeven]

wow, never thought i'd hear that.. it seems its about time that i move on huh? ;)

[evil aloha]

useless discussion... maybe we should return to topic! ;)

[Xeven]

oh is that what we were doing.. i thought i was just ranting. ;)

[Hydra]

I don't see why it matters if we went off topic.

[Cless]

the topic is most think the gpu is good the other like me think it is bad.

[Ninjaa]

Xeven, I know it is a little off topic, but as far as I can tell, all you are saying is that I am a lamer with no actual knowledge, and other than that, you aren't telling me what is incorrect about what I am saying. If you have a problem with what I say, then I would expect you to actually tell me what it is, rather than flame me for it.

I am not an electrical engineer, and I don't claim to be. But I hate being flamed for speaking what I have been told as being the truth. I have asked you nicely for an explanation on the truth of the matter, but all that I got was further mocking. I have admitted that I could be wrong, but in response, you just responded with further insult. Basically a big "**** you".

I don't mind constructive criticism, but this is not it.

[Esturk]

Do you believe everything other people tell you to be true? Research the topic if you are not sure of what you are talking about. I myself know nothing about PS2 lasers. All the people I know have never had problems with their PS2's.

[Xeven]

> But I hate being flamed for speaking what I have been told as being the truth.

Which basically leads to my old point that, well.. you've been arguing with nothing but hearsay. :)

[Ninjaa]

Well, so far you have presented nothing but hearsay. I have yet to hear a better version. Rather than simply calling me a lamer, why not educate me? It would be ever so much more constructive. Tell me exactly where I went wrong, rather than simply saying I am totally wrong.