Squaresoft...

[Raqia]

I can't belive how versatile this company is!

They make my favorite shooter: Einhander

2 of my favorite fighters: Tobal 2 and Bushido Blade

and my favorite RPG: Chrono Trigger

What a great company!

[Gnome]

i dont favor squre soft but didnt thay make THPS3

[Demigod]

I only like Square RPGs. I never liked their other game genres that much.

[Cless]

I think that square sof was good...but i have been dissapointed with FF8,FF10, and that they are making an online only game. So over they are famous for FF which in my opinion the ture FF's stoped at 6. I liked tactics but they are far from my favoraite gaming co. I think Games arts is.

[Strider]

> I only like Square RPGs. I never liked their other game genres that much.

same with me...
right now i'd have to say my favourite game companies are eidos interactive, electronic arts (as well as all subdivisions), and blizzards good too, although they take too long to make their games, black isle, interplay. oh and i cant forget new world computing, after all, they did make the heroes of might and magic series...

square still has its classics on the snes, thats probably the main reason why i still like square, but i dont really like what theyve done after they aligned with sony

[Ninjaa]

No, Square these days really bites. The days of the SNES was the era that I really loved Square. They are just a shadow now.

I must mention that they did make a really good racing game for NES though. Rad Racer. It was the only non-RPG Square game that I liked.

[REi_FoX]

yeah they really rock in the snes days but today games are getting lame

[<Id>]

GMG: Activision O2 made THPS3.

Square is alright. I don't know whats been going on witht eh company though. Before they used to make awesome games, but the last 2-3 years it's been crap with the exception of FFX. My favorite game that they published on hte PSX must have been Xenogears. I think mainly the FF series has been down, and that is what gives the company it's name. Now that they made a MMORPG I don't know what to think. Oh well. The SNES years where the best though.

[fujita]

For me, Square is one name that I can trust, aside from other company like Capcom and Enix. If I heard a game that come from Square, for sure I could play it without complaining much :D. Or maybe it's just me. Well, yes, there are some pros and contras with certain games, but overall most of them are enjoyable. This includes not only the Final Fantasy series but also some others like Parasite Eve, Thread of Fate and Einhander. I hope that Square would continue making games in the future.

[zerocopy]

Squaresoft rocks my world, u-s-a u-s-a u-s-a.

[Gnome]

ok i i know who made thps 3

square soft N/a never even played on of there hames EA's good though

and REMEDY rox all the way

[<Id>]

huh!? you don't know Squaresoft? What cave did you jsut crawl out of? The have made some of the best games in history.

Like Final Fantasy, Chrono Series, Xenogears, Vagrant Story, and all the others mentioned above.

[Snake785]

Originally posted by Ninja

I must mention that they did make a really good racing game for NES though. Rad Racer. It was the only non-RPG Square game that I liked.


I have rad racer 2 for my NES and it's one of the best racing games for it! I also liked the first one as well.

[Cless]

I hate people that say oh squaresoft made that game it must rock, Come on base the games and themselves not there makers history or thier predisessors.

[Raqia]

No one liked Tobal 2 or Einhander? They were awesome!

[Demigod]

I did not like Einhander much. I've seen much better shooters than that. As for their fighting games, they were interesting but not my type. Like I said, the only Square games that really get me are the RPGs.

BTW, have you ever tried some of Square's earlier works on the NES? It's no wonder they almost went bankrupt:D

[Cajunspirit]

Originally posted by delita
I think that square sof was good...but i have been dissapointed with FF8,FF10, and that they are making an online only game. So over they are famous for FF which in my opinion the ture FF's stoped at 6. I liked tactics but they are far from my favoraite gaming co. I think Games arts is.

Whooo I Loved FF8 and FFX what do you dislike about um'?

[Cless]

I hated the drawing and the gf's anlog with the fact the none of the char's and real diference besides thier limit breaks( hated that too). And FFX had no orignallity to it it was just square soft reusing ideas to make money. Plain simple I like games that are orignal and the shpere grind was stupid. Here a lin to where me and <Id> agured about it. http://www.ngemu.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14883&perpage=20&pagenumber=1 .there are other opinions about FFX there. too

[Lavos]

Hopefully Square will come back to it's glory days of SNES as they've teamed back up with Nintendo, Maybe we will see the same quality of games that made them big in the first place (hopefully). I agree square have lost it recently but they still are the BEST producer of RPG's.

[Jonys]

Square Soft has always been a good company for me....but i think it will never reach the point they were when they made Chrono Trigger, FF7 or Xenogears.....

[RhombusYSS]

I think all video games will never reach the playability level that there was in those days... I mean in the older games it was such big leaps and innovations between earlier games and those titles...

I'll make a metaphor with TV... first there was radio, the jump to TV was huge, then the jump from black and white to color was huge... after that there are innovations (remote control, picture-in-picture, HDTV) but they'll never have the same intrigue and we won't be impressed as much as those initial HUGE steps.

[Cless]

I can't see how some one can call FF7 one of squares best games.

[Florindel]

Originally posted by delita
I can't see how some one can call FF7 one of squares best games.

I really loved FF7, but I have to admit I can´t really explain why.

[Hanamichi]

I liked FF7 alot too. Prolly cause it was the first time playing a turn-based RPG.

[Lavos]

>Square Soft has always been a good company for me....but i think it will never reach the point they were when they made Chrono Trigger, FF7 or Xenogears.....



thats true games like those are untouchable:) but we may see games that are better than the ones they have made recenty but the Classics will never be matched.

[Kane]

Bushido Blade owns all. It's just a pity that I can't find my damned CD :cry:
I have yet to try Driving Emotion Type S too.

[amano]

Originally posted by Ninja
I must mention that they did make a really good racing game for NES though. Rad Racer. It was the only non-RPG Square game that I liked.

yes people, get rocknes and play rad racer. my first racing game ever. VROOM.

[Cless]

Originally posted by Hanamichi
I liked FF7 alot too. Prolly cause it was the first time playing a turn-based RPG.


That is somewhat legit reason. But if had played some other game first would that change your answere? I am that is some ways because Mystaria was my first rpg.

[Demigod]

FF7 impressed me with its graphical capabilities. The first time I saw the Bahamut ZERO summon my mouth dropped. KotR was also pretty impressive when I first saw it. I had only played the NES and SNES FF games until then.

[Cless]

Ok there is the difference for me I had been a PC only up till about the FF8 era and then got in the PSX stuff then emu shortly there after.

[REi_FoX]

i hope that sqiare would come up with better games than before cause ff9 sucks

[amano]

I saw @ zophar.net that there was an english translation patch for bahamut lagoon released. give it a try.

[sxamiga]

I think that everyone expects to much from Square. They came up w/all those great games and then some that were not so great.
Well that just goes to show tha you can be a winner every single time. I think Square needs to step back, take a deep breath ( so to speak) and really concentrate on what they are doing. If they do this, then we will see the quality games of the SNES and NES brand once again.
But when mentioning series, don't forget other companies and their great series. Like CapCom with the Breath of Fire series and Altus with the ARC the Lad series.
sincerely,
sx/amiga

[Kane]

Take a look at Lucasarts.
They released a truckload of amazing games (Sam and Max, Dark Forces, DF2, X-Wing, Monky Island, etc...), then they went through a dry spell, releasing good games, but not up to thier usual standard by a long shot (Force Commander, Rebellion). I just hope that JK2 isn't a blip, and is their return in full force (no pun intended)
The same seems to be happening at Square. They released some stellar games, and now everything seems a bit lackluster. Who knows what the next gem may be. I'll wait and see.

[Strider]

i agree with sxamiga that square should really concentrate on the games theyre making becuase if they release it too quickly its just gonna be a game with a lotta eye-candy but no traditional story (take chrono cross and ff9 for example) ... now on xenogears, the graphics werent as good as the ones today (although beit they were really good for the time) but the story was so complex and the game took so long to finish that it made millions of fans worldwide

sincerely,
The Mundane Orc-Hunting Ranger (once again im gonna say this here that i hope sxamiga doesnt mind me copying his complimentary closing ;))

[RhombusYSS]

I thought Xenogears was a much better looking game than chrono cross... at least much more artisitic and better presented. On the emu especially I find the full 3d world beautiful as compared to the low-res backgrounds in Chrono Cross... I also think Square had a pretty good run on the PSX... FF7, Xenogears, Parasite Eve, Bushido Blade, Brave Fencer Musashi... all good and diverse games released within a very short time period... and once again we must remember as games become more complex, they take longer to make and there are less releases, so it'll never be as easy to pump out the games like in the SNES and early PSX days.

[Strider]

uhh... you gotta be kidding about chrono cross.. the visual part was probably the best part about the game... the high quality vibrant and vivid backgrounds are what made chrono cross ... some of the music helped too, but most of it was thanks to the visuals

sincerely,
The Mundane Orc-Hunting Ranger

[RhombusYSS]

Chrono Cross had good artwork, but too low resolution, and nothing I found particularly beautiful. FF7 even had worse background but was a more artistic game. On epsxe though no way a pre-rendered background can look anywhere near as good as a full 3d world. Especially a game like Xenogears where it's very detailed and you can see much more on the emu than was ever visible on the original PSX version

[Florindel]

I found CC very beautiful, even if I didn´t really like the style it has

[Angel3D]

I don't understand why you're all saying "okay ff8 sucks the G-forces system is just useless, ff9 is the worst I've seen...".
There's just not only the game system, what about the story ? the characters philosophy, the mythologic references (that are most of time really interesting in square games because of a melt with japanese culture)
Am I the only one who payed attention to those aspects ? (hope not :) )

[REi_FoX]

ff 8 good
ff7 great
ff9 ...
ffx ....good

[Kane]

I liked them all, I'm just saying that they don't compare to earlier releases. Chono Trigger, Xenogears (a realatively early PSX game IIRC). Xenogears looks better tahn Chrono Cross in an emu.

[Cless]

I pay attenion to all aspects of a game but if tha battleing sucks and battling is a main part of any rpg it hurts the game a lot. Not as much as a bad or unorignal story. But I hated/disliked FF8 and FFX. FF7 was good but it wasn't a true FF. Overall square has made some good games but now they are rely on the names of the game to sell themselves not the quality like they used to.

[sxamiga]

NP Strider. If you like using my trademark closing, then by all means, go ahead and use it.
sincerely,
sx/amiga

[Ninjaa]

Originally posted by Angel3D
I don't understand why you're all saying "okay ff8 sucks the G-forces system is just useless, ff9 is the worst I've seen...".
There's just not only the game system, what about the story ? the characters philosophy, the mythologic references (that are most of time really interesting in square games because of a melt with japanese culture)
Am I the only one who payed attention to those aspects ? (hope not :) )

Angel, I really liked Squall, but the rest of the characters were flat, and the story was bland. The junctioning system was annoying more than anything, and the game was WAY too easy.

Squall was a great character, but there is just way too much wrong with the game.

[Strider]

i usually only used squall, irvine, and a third vatiating character in ff8, the others i didnt care for...

Sincerely,
The Mundane Orc-Hunting Ranger (thanks again Sxamiga)

[REi_FoX]

i used squall zell and quistis

1st because squall has a EXTREME BRUTAL limit break
2nd quistis can do shockwave pulsar
3rd zell can do my final heaven and metor smash without the books

[Ninjaa]

Well, I liked Squall's personality.

I always kept Squall, Selphie, and Rinoa in my party. I picked them entirely based on their looks. ;)

Sincerely,
The sneaky one.

[REi_FoX]

yeah i think rinoa is the coolest character that square ever made...

[Ninjaa]

I actually liked Selphie the best in FF8. The coolest female character that Square ever made I think was either Kid (sorry Strider, Ill try not to look at her again for a while ;)), Aya Brea, or Tifa.

Although I must say that Valkyrie Profile has the best female character ever. Mystina. She's powerful, has a short temper, is completely self centered, and extremely hot. That's my kind of girl.

Sincerely,
Hentai Hokujin

[REi_FoX]

you miss something...

she acts cool!!!

[RhombusYSS]

Originally posted by delita
FF7 was good but it wasn't a true FF.

Um... what does that mean? When I think of what defines a FF game, I think of FF6 and FF7. If you mean it didn't have the fantasy castles and such type feeling well then nothing really did from 7 on (I guess IX does though)... but starting with even FF6 games started incorporated more modern-feeling cities and technology

[Ninjaa]

I will always consider FF4 to be the last and greatest of the "true" Final Fantasies. But I liked FF6 a lot too, in spite of it being different.

[Strider]

> The coolest female character that Square ever made I think was either Kid (sorry Strider, Ill try not to look at her again for a while ;) ),

you can look but you cant touch :)

sincerely,
The Mundane Orc Hunting Ranger

[Samor]

Square sucks...they helped killing many game genres. Proof? this topic.

(well, ok then..Einhander was good...I think that's the only square game I have too)

[Demigod]

Originally posted by Ninja
I will always consider FF4 to be the last and greatest of the "true" Final Fantasies. But I liked FF6 a lot too, in spite of it being different. So you mean FF 1-4? What about FF5? I personally thought it was the last of the true FF games. Starting from FF6 things got a bit too technological.

[Ninjaa]

5's gameplay was radically different from the rest of the series though. I always thought that FF4 was how the game was supposed to be.

[Demigod]

It was just the Job system that was different. Besides that the game played like any other FF game. FF3 and FFT also used the Job system. The most radically different FF games were FF1 (no viable story, primitive battle system), FF2 (no levels, weapon proficiency), FF7 (materia, 3 characters in battle), FF8 (draw system, junctioning) and FFT. Most of the others have been relatively the same in the way they play.

[Ninjaa]

Alright, damnit, you win. FF5 was the last of the "true" Final Fantasies. ;)

However, FF4 is still the better game.

[Cless]

Fine ff5 is the last true FF not 6. but after they were games abusing the title of FF. I personally like ff5 as much as FF4. they were both good.

[Strider]

ff6 still had most of the traditional elements of the final fantasy games however, its just that they added some stuff

sincerely,
The Mundane Orc-Hunting Ranger

[REi_FoX]

yeah thats right... not like ff8 mp was taken out and many things were changed

[VTB]

I personally think that since they started to put a lot of effort in graphics and those movies. The story and gameplay became crap..

[Cless]

I agree...and FFX is another example of that.

[fujita]

I'm starting to think that Square has somewhat more innovation than any other company. That's maybe the cause that their games concepts keep changing most of the time. This innovation can bring benefit or making the game a failure, depend on the situation and ideas. ;)

[Nameless]

Originally posted by VTB
I personally think that since they started to put a lot of effort in graphics and those movies. The story and gameplay became crap..

That is a sad...sad thing :(

[G-Pitts]

Originally posted by VTB
I personally think that since they started to put a lot of effort in graphics and those movies. The story and gameplay became crap..

No, thats ok, its an innovation you know :) and I dont think FF8, FF9 and FFX has a bad story. Square just want to use most of the graphical ability of PSX and PS2. A powerful console without any games which can use their true power is a waste IMO :)

[VTB]

Well am not saying that the latest FF series are bad.

And of course FFX has superb graphics and it is ok taht square and puts a lot of effort in graphics and movies.

But it's just that after playing some time and ur halfway the game it just isn't interesting anymore with the last FF series.

[Lavos]

What determines a good RPG is almost entirely it's story, well thats in my opinion. Though the latest FF series had great graphics and features they lacked in a quality story-line. For me Square have to think about the story a bit more instead of rushing into games,just for the sake of a new installement in the FF series or somethin and focusing too much on things other than the story.
In the snes days all that mattered was story and thats why they were so great but now with better graphics around, they have deviated from the esscence of an RPG.

[Cless]

I agree with most that hsa been said. I feel graphic are unimportant in rpgs. And good story and chars is the only important thing.

[Ninjaa]

Originally posted by fujita
I'm starting to think that Square has somewhat more innovation than any other company. That's maybe the cause that their games concepts keep changing most of the time. This innovation can bring benefit or making the game a failure, depend on the situation and ideas. ;)

No, I disagree completely. Square artwork, graphics, and plots have been very similar for some time now. Even Chrono Cross looked like just another Final Fantasy wannabe. (Even though it was much better than recent Final Fantasies.) For innovation, Square is the LAST place I look. They change a few things in every game, but I have always known what to expect. And lately I have been expecting crap.


One Square game is really intriguing me right now though. Final Fantasy Unlimited will mark Square's return to Nintendo. Nintendo should have direct input in the making of the game. I am really hoping that Nintendo can help Square get back on it's feet. At least for the GameCube games. I have always attributed Square's quality of games to be as a result of the hardware in which they were developing for.

Nintendo is a gaming company. They want their games to be good. Every Nintendo games sees delays upon delays until Nintendo decides that the game is perfect. Sony is only here to make a little money on the side. They could care less about quality, and just want Square to push out as many games as possible.

Since Square is back with Nintendo, there is a possiblity that they will make a game that doesn't suck. I will be waiting.

[_Oz_]

Lack of PC support! Why do we have to buy SNES, PSX and PS2 to play Square games! And most of them don't even reach Europe like Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, FF4, FF5 !!!!! :(

[Nameless]

Hey Ninja, r there any games announced for the GC from Square? I heard about the reunion and I think it's great. I have always hated Sony and their Playstations. The only thing that kept me going to them is the great games that other companies (including the innovative Square, IMHO) were making for them. Who knows, maybe that will change. Unless....PS3 will be an actually working system instead of "Breakstation" as our dear friend Delita likes to call it ;) and he's not wrong....Turn it on GC :p

[Angel3D]

Originally posted by Lavos
What determines a good RPG is almost entirely it's story, well thats in my opinion. Though the latest FF series had great graphics and features they lacked in a quality story-line. For me Square have to think about the story a bit more instead of rushing into games,just for the sake of a new installement in the FF series or somethin and focusing too much on things other than the story.
In the snes days all that mattered was story and thats why they were so great but now with better graphics around, they have deviated from the esscence of an RPG.

You say the developpers focus too much on graphics and videos, but that's just wrong. Did you ever developped a game yourself ? I don't think so while reading you. There's a special team of scripters to write the story and generally this team is totally independant of the developpers or artists teams. It's only when the story is ok that there's a reflection about every sequences adaptation. That's right that with Square it seems to be different with Sakaguchi but it's totally the same. And in fact I don't think it's Square aim to make an episode different (deeper in storyline or nicer in graphics.)
According to me they just wanted to adapt some concept that works and that people enjoy (some creatures, great spirits to summon, characters with different abilities...) in other context and world. But you're right they're becoming more and more influenced by the economical aspects. They try to reach a larger public so they simply their stories and give a better aspect (hey, that's just marketing) to the product to be sure the dude who's lost in the last little town of the world with is console will buy the next Final Fantasy game.
But hey, that's our fault too, if we don't show those companies that the public is looking for more, they won't be able to read our mind ;)

[Nameless]

I can see the truth in these words. But still, if an aspect of the story is too complicated to do in gfx then it's dropped. Yet I MUST say, I LOVED FF7, FF8. FF9 was good but nothing like them. And to think that people think the past FF's to be better......Wow, that really gets me excited to play them (Yep, I'm guilty)

And Angel, what the guys mean is that we (well, me atleast) would play an RPG with a great story even if it's gfx were bad. I'm not sure I could say it the other way around, though....:)

[Ryos]

Hmm. If you really want to get right down to it, there's a lack of innovation in just about EVERY company making RPGs right now (excepting possibly the games released in Japan only, seeing as how I haven't played them :(). Ye olde laundry list:

Console RPGs:

Square - Hasn't been particularly original since Chrono Trigger, with the one exception being Xenogears. Everything else has followed a formula established elsewhere, although I guess you could say Parasite Evil was innovative in ways.

Namco - Tales of Phantasia was a big departure from the norm, both in terms of plot, graphics, and music (and of course the awesome battle system). However, the rest of the series has been pretty much the same thing but not quite as good. To Namco's credit, they did snap up Xenosaga, which at least will be starting innovative, but there are still five games left before we will find out whether it will remain innovative or get stuck in a rut.

Enix - Arguably the most innovative console RPG company out there, as (with the exception of Dragon Quest) it keeps producing a variety of intriguing games like Star Ocean or Valkyrie Profile that are unlike anything before it.

Konami - It has innovative RPGs, but at the same time, it doesn't do very many. Suikoden good. Azure Dreams bad. :p

Capcom - Ha, are you kidding me? Capcom and innovation don't belong in the same sentence.

Climax - Although I love Climax's games, they're pretty much all the same formula. They used to be very original, but the only recent innovative game Climax made was Time Stalkers.

Game Arts - Initially, Game Arts WAS innovative. However, that no longer remains the case, as it keeps putting out games with basically the same plots or outright remixes of old games (the original Lunar is available on four systems now...insane). Arguably the LEAST innovative company at the moment, although the recent deal with Enix might change GA's ways.

Sega - As much as I like Phantasy Star, it isn't particularly innovative. :p

Sony - Wild Arms definitely is. The rest of Sony's RPGs aren't particularly innovative, although certainly the battle system in Legend of Legaia is different. And NO, Legend of Dragoon is anything but innovative. -_-

Nintendo - Pokemon isn't, Zelda very much is. Mother is also innovative (if Nintendo ever gets around to releasing the third title). Fire Emblem's a tossup. Of the console makers, Nintendo is by far the most innovative, but it has its resources dedicated more to other games, unfortunately.

Atlus - Easily one of the most innovative companies out there, especially Megami Tensei. Unfortunately, a lot of Atlus' games don't make it to the U.S. (refer to Megami Tensei :p).

PC RPG companies:

Interplay - Some fairly innovative games, but most of them were complete failures (refer to Stonekeep).

Blizzard - Some series are very innovative (like Warcraft), and others are enjoyable but certainly NOT innovative (like Diablo).

BioWare - I personally think BioWare is the single most innovative company out there. Besides completely revitalizing the PC RPG industry with Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights looks very promising, as does the Star Wars game it's working on. BioWare's engine has also been used in some of my favorite games, including Planescape: Torment.

That isn't all of the companies out there, but they're the ones I thought of. As you can see, there is currently little to no innovation ANYWHERE. It's depressing. In fact, much of the innovation is currently in Korean PC RPGs, which is doubly worse because those games have little to no chance of being translated.

[RhombusYSS]

Originally posted by Ryos
It's depressing. In fact, much of the innovation is currently in Korean PC RPGs, which is doubly worse because those games have little to no chance of being translated.

:D I will trasnslate them! For a handsome fee that is... anyway, they mostly suck anyway. Innovation is a good idea but it isn't always good.

[Demigod]

Korean PC RPGs? I didn't realize they existed. Most Koreans I know (like most of my friends) are hooked on Starcraft and Diablo and other on-line games.

[Cless]

Originally posted by Nameless
. Unless....PS3 will be an actually working system instead of "Breakstation" as our dear friend Delita likes to call it ;) and he's not wrong....Turn it on GC :p

thank you for giving me credit. And ryos I agree that Bioware is making great game. Over companies just clone one idea after another to make money. How diablo like games are there.

[Strider]

> Korean PC RPGs? I didn't realize they existed. Most Koreans I know (like most of my friends) are hooked on Starcraft and Diablo and other on-line games.


diablo technically is an rpg... and ive been hearing a lot of badmouthing about d2 but the fact is its a good game, its multiplayer functions are good, its not extremely laggy (well, shouldnt be atleast) and its not filled with complete idiots everywhere, hence, the reason i prefer d2 over games like ragnarok

[Hanamichi]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ryos

although I guess you could say Parasite Evil was innovative in ways.
[/QUOTE

Eh ? :p

Actually I dont think FFX is a game with only nice graphics. The storyline is pretty good IMO. I'd say the best RPG I've played is Planescape: Torment.

[Nameless]

Oh yes, now that was a classic...and I'm just using "classic" 'cuz I can't a better word and that's no compliment, either. Too bad we won't see how "the nameless one" ;) ends up.....Well, at least some fans r doing an add-on.

Hmm, it seems I'm going off-topic a bit...So, back to the round :)
But really, maybe Square isn't going up fast but at least it's going up. Oh, and they should do MUCH more ports to the pc :(

[G-Pitts]

And not a lousy PC port again :)

[amano]

hmm. but it would be nice to have ffx on pc. on dvd. becuase now we don't have an emulator as an alternative. better a lousy port than none.

[G-Pitts]

I prefer buying a PS2 rather than buying a new DVD drive, beside I can play other PS2 games as well :)

[Cless]

but your dvd won't break like the breakstation 2.

[Laguna Loire]

Square Rocks!!!

Chrono Trigger kicks, FF6 is great, and FF8 is the best game in existence!

[Cless]

FF8 sucks ass and it is not true FF.

[zerocopy]

delita stfu!!! ff8 rocks.

[Cless]

great not agian.....I am realy not in the mood to agrue this agian...I will do it tomorrow. But basically i hate the drawing, grpahics, junction, chars oh hell there is too much.

[G-Pitts]

Why did you hate the graphic of FF8, they are good enough. BTW FF8 rock!!

[Cless]

They suck mabey that is becuase I am and have been a mainly pc gamer.

[zerocopy]

Dont try and sell that ff8 sucks theirs probably more ppl here that would disagree with you delita!!! For the meantime go suck a COW!!!

[Laguna Loire]

When saying the graphics suck, Delita, are you referring to the Playstation console graphics, (they suck) or graphics coming out of an emulator? Of course, you won't be getting GeForce 4/PS2 equivalent graphics from it. Remember that the console itself is seven years old, and the game three. It's graphics are far superior to a lot of games (any platform) dating to that period.

As for the junctioning, I happen to enjoy it greatly. (especially sticking Drain on ST-ATK!) It adds a bit more challenge to the game, and the whole Draw system gives a bit of fresh air from all the other RPG's out there which use (for the most part) nothing but MP/mana (or whatever you want to call it). There is a similar concept in Chrono Cross, but I don't believe it to be as well implemented.

The characters you also complain about. Granted, there are some characters who you can't truly LIKE (Selphie, Irvine). However, considering the story, which is truly phenomenal, I believe that the characters are near exactly as they should be.

And how can you say it is not a "true FF"? Is it just because some aspecs are different? In that case, neither is Tactics. Or FF9, or 2,3,4,5,6, or 7, because they are different from the origional. Sure some parts of the game are different, but that's the way ALL the Final Fantasy games are.

At least you don't hate the music...then I'd have to beat your ass.:p

[Cless]

I lacks everything that makes it an FF except the name and some chars. Overall the chars are all the same except for their limit breaks and I have used an emu to play the game. But i mean I frist played the game I didn't like the graphics. Not becuase of the breakstation's limit but the overall style. And if you want to agure that FF8 was not a true FF i get some more opions post on this thread and don't threaten me ****er.

[zerocopy]

Damnit!!! now your bragging coz you have more post.. Are you f**cking absent minded.

[Cless]

Originally posted by zerocopy
Damnit!!! now your bragging coz you have more post.. Are you f**cking absent minded.
Wtf are you talking aobut?

[zerocopy]

Dunno?? you tell me.

[Cless]

when was I bragging?

[Strider]

> The characters you also complain about. Granted, there are some characters who you can't truly LIKE (Selphie, Irvine). However, considering the story, which is truly phenomenal, I believe that the characters are near exactly as they should be.

i think ff8 was ok... it had some cool things in it but it never really hooked me... i could take a break from it for a month then get back to it... while games like ff6 and ct always make me play til the end. Overall the game was good but not that good... its the same as chrono cross... its predecessor was better, but it was still good. Anyways, dont badmouth irvine :p he was my favourite character in that game ;)

sincerely,
Strider

[Cless]

strider you don't hate or dislike any game do you?

[Strider]

i hate final fantasy mystic quest. And perhaps im not as judgemental or condescending as others... is there ANYTHING wrong with that?

some games i didnt particularly care for: warcraft, command and conquer red alert 2, most racing games, msot fighting games, most platform games... is that enough?

[Cless]

There is nothing wrong with that at all. I just end up post along with you a lot and i felt like asking a question see that my post come people say are you crazy FF8 and FFX rocked and me saying they suck.

[Strider]

i usually try not to tell people a game sucks... since that doesnt show much respect for the other people's opinions, and it isnt really appreciative of all the work that the game designers put into the game. However there are games i dislike, but i try not to flame those games because of my reasons above, and hence i try to stay silent about my opinions when i have nothing good to say about things. Im not saying others should be like this, hell i encourage others to share their opinions, but im just trying not to start feuds

sincerely,
Strider

[Cless]

Hey I am usally not the one that become hostile. But to everybody else that attacks me for what I say or gets pissed with me. i usally say game sucks if I dislike and that is my opinion it is not some that i can prove.

[evil aloha]

SquareSoft made the bests RPGs.... i need say more? (yeah, the others games genres are cool too....)

[Strider]

im not trying to censor you or anything, im just stating what i try to and try not to do.

sincerely,
Strider

[evil aloha]

i hate final fantasy mystic quest.

hahaha... i know a lot of people who dislike this game..... :D

[Strider]

well, now you know one more. I disliked it because of its childish qualities. A lot of people here did like the game but i think thats only because it was their first ever rpg.

sincerely,
Strider

[Cless]

I personally have found nothing wrong with mystic quest, there I redemed myself. But i can't stand most of the crapy square ahs produced lately and unless you have played every single square rpg you can accurately say they make the best rpgs. which they don't. I feel all companies do things well but overall there is no best rpg there only the best rpg that you feel like playing.
And strider I never thought you were trying to censor me. you anyoed the hell out of me at first but now I agree with more than I dissagree with but you...mabey I start to getting along with dahuman and id....well that willl be in a while.

[fujita]

Well, I did tried to play Final Fantasy Mystic Quest, but give up because the graphic are too... well... you know how it looks. :emb: I can stand FF6, FF5 or FF4, but FFMystic Quest it just doesn't suit my appetite.

[Hanamichi]

You guys sure like to argue.......
I agree with strider. We shouldnt insult a game so directly, because others may like it.

[RhombusYSS]

I think everyone should have and voice their own opinion but there's a big difference between saying "I didn't like that game" and "that game sucked". Saying that game sucked is a big insult to the game and it IS construed as hostile to those who liked the game. For example, I really hate lots of games that get great reviews and everyone likes... I don't really think these games suck they just don't appeal to me, like Warcraft Games, and tons of FPS games, lots of RPG's too.

[Cless]

Fine will stop saying a game sucked. I will find other ways to say that....and i thought it would be a mod complaining about me

[fujita]

Here's a hint on how to comment something that you may don't like. It maybe not much but, I'm sure it can be used to give our opinion and at the same time respect others. ;) When you're saying about the weaknesses of something, you should mention the goodness (although it's small) of it. For example, I'm saying that, "game XXX is really suck because the quality of sound and gameplay. But in the same time, I think the storyline might be good, considering the fact that the game hours is quite long." That is how we should see things around us. By viewing at more than one angle. :)
Forgive my interruption.

[RhombusYSS]

Another idea is to use the 2 key words "I think"

[Demigod]

Or just include `personally'

e.g. "I personally thought the game sucked"

[Strider]

i believe ive used all those words in conjunction many times... such as, "personally, i thought the game was lacking in value that what its predecessor had"

sincerely,
Strider

[fujita]

That sounds fine for me. It's an honest statement, with some comments in it. But at the same time, it also show respect to others. That's quite good. ;)

[Laguna Loire]

I, personally , couldn't stand Mystic Quest AT ALL. I quit my emu after a whole two minutes.

And sorry, Strider, but we all know that Irvine's not the best, Laguna is. :p

[G-Pitts]

For me, I personally think Squall is the best and Rinoa is the best female character. About that mystic quest, yes that game didnt really suit my taste :)

[Kane]

It's good for getiing kids into RPGs.
I first played it on the actual SNES when it first came out. It was the first RPG I ever played, and then I loved it.
I won't touch it now tho.

[fujita]

The only thing I like about Squall is Renzokuken-Lion Heart. If Square could add some voices in the battle, then that would be great. Because voices play a very important role to create to heat of battle. Just look at some other games that use voices like Valkyrie Profile and Grandia 2. Even if the game is not so good, but the battles would be great if they did that. ;)

[Strider]

laguna was ok but he didnt get the ladies all the time :p

sincerely,
Strider

[G-Pitts]

And sadly, there are no more multiple attack in FF9. This is very frustrating because when I reach level 90 with Ultima weapon, a normal attack will do 9999 damage so there is no need to use any skill or trance (this is very very sad, I miss the omnislash and lion heart attack :cry: ) Evil Square :cry:

[Laguna Loire]

Originally posted by Strider
laguna was ok but he didnt get the ladies all the time :p

sincerely,
Strider

But at least he had integrity...Irvine would move on pretty darn quickly.

[Strider]

well... irvine was a sniper who got the girls, perfect role model for people. Laguna was ok i guess, but thats it, not too many things that make him stand out.

sincerely,
Strider

[Demigod]

Originally posted by G-Pitts
And sadly, there are no more multiple attack in FF9. This is very frustrating because when I reach level 90 with Ultima weapon, a normal attack will do 9999 damage so there is no need to use any skill or trance (this is very very sad, I miss the omnislash and lion heart attack :cry: ) Evil Square :cry:
Square took those moves out to balance the game. Ever since they instituted multiple hitting moves (from FF5 and onwards) the games have been WAY too easy, especially the end bosses. The end bosses in FF3 and FF4 were much more challenging than FF6 or FF7. I found FF9 presented a better challenge than the previous PSX FF games, especially at the end.

[G-Pitts]

Originally posted by Demigod79

Square took those moves out to balance the game. Ever since they instituted multiple hitting moves (from FF5 and onwards) the games have been WAY too easy, especially the end bosses. The end bosses in FF3 and FF4 were much more challenging than FF6 or FF7. I found FF9 presented a better challenge than the previous PSX FF games, especially at the end.

But the problem is, I lost the joy and happiness when casting any spell or skill because of the damage limit to 9999.

[evil aloha]

That's right... in FFVIII, was too easy defeat the Final-Boss!! The Ultima & Omega Weapons much more challenging...

[G-Pitts]

Ultima and Omega weapon are hell monster :D

[Laguna Loire]

Originally posted by Strider
well... irvine was a sniper who got the girls, perfect role model for people. Laguna was ok i guess, but thats it, not too many things that make him stand out.

sincerely,
Strider

"Desperado" is one...

[Kane]

I think they could have toned it better, maybe a trance move hitting twice or something....
But I agree, it's a good thing to tone down the super powerful moves.