RPG's

[Lavos]

Hello every1

Just want to ask u guys, what do u think woz the best RPG on PSX. I've heard a lot of people that think Chrono Cross iz but i'm in the middle of playing ff9 and it is superb. I donno really coz i haven't played many on the PSX.:)

like 2 see what peoples opinons are.:)

[santa_qlaus]

I have not played Chorno cross nor FF9 but I have only one answer (which I am surprised that not so many that I thought would agree on) and that is FF7. It is the best damn story I have ever seen in a game.

[Betamax]

moved to game discussion

[Strider]

i would vote on 2 games, cc (music, battle system, video, cinematics, and look at my avatar) and xenogears (music, story, characters, battle system)... story is a very important aspect of a game for me and i feel cc sorta lacked in that department... also the ending is important for me but i still am playing xenogears... im 42 hours into the game and im still on cd 1 -_-' ... oh well that means i got lotsa stuff still to do :D

[Kane]

Hmmm. This is actualy a very difficult question to answer. People really vary on this.
A lot of people (including myself) swear by Xenogears. It has a good plot, and the graphics are nothing short of amazing, especialy for the PSX.
A lot of people are sticklers for the FF series, but once again we get debate here. Somepeople like the 'old skool' style of FF9. Some people prefer FF8, but hate the drawing. FF7 probs does have the best pot of the three. If you haven't played it, then get that
Chrono Cross is a poor sequel to Chrono Trigger, arguably the greatest RPG to this day. It is good, but pales into insignificance next to other RPGs
If you like a bit of Strategy added into the mix (similar to Shining Force), then Final Fantasy Tactics is definately the way to go.
There are many other RPGs on the PSX, too many to list here, many of them are good candidates for best PSX rpg, but IMO ATM, it goes like this
1) Xenogears
2) Final Fantasy Tactics
3) Final Fantasy 7 (If I ever manage to get it again :p )

[Lavos]

hmmm

xenogears, thats 1 i haven't heard of. but u say that chrono cross is poorer that chrono trigger (i agree the best RPG of all time) but some would say that it's better than the original. Reason I ask iz because ive got exams and afterwards i'm gonna have a very looong summer break and i wanna know what games 2 play.:)

[RhombusYSS]

My favorite RPG's for PSX I would rank in order: FF7, Xenogears, Chrono Cross, Valkyrie Profile, FF9... I think FF7 and Xenogears are at another level from the rest though, mainly cause of story and gameplay. FF7 really was a beautiful game that was very deep and had an awesome story and memorable characters. Xenogears has amazing graphics and a full 3d world. With hardware acceleration on the emulator, it looks absolutely amazing.

[Kane]

No way is it better than the original. Not by any strech of the imagination. The only thing it beats it on is graphics.
Trigger had better plot, better character development, better music (although not quality, just better comosed, so that the battle theme doesn't irritate you), and a better game engine. One of the things I liked about the original was that a battle was jumped into almost instantaneously, and they were really quick.
If you need a couple of games for the hols, Xenogears and FFTactics will easily hold you over. Finish FF9 first before you get any new games tho, otherwise you will end up with a pile of RPGs you have never got round to completing :p

[REi_FoX]

for me try playing legend of legaia and FF 7 their the best

[Lavos]

i agree absolutely about the battles in trigger. They were very quick and the game flowed into the battles very easily. In other RPG's the battles take ages and sometimes scare u in the middle of the night. The battle music woz OK though it wasn't too bad.
Ure right about finishing FF9 i'm only nearly at the end of disc 1.

But Chrono Trigger, first ever RPG i played and still my best. Superb.

[Auri87]

i liked tales of destiny 2 and ff7

[Neojag]

i hated FF9... imho, both story and battle sistem suck...
i'd go for Xenogears in the 1st place. Then maybe FF7 or Chrono Cross... And there's CT for the PSX too, CT rocks :)

[Steel]

I agree, Xenogears is an awesome game so it'd have to be my first fav. and then FF7 second. I have to say that FF7 doesn't have as good a story as Xenogears does though... But it was my first RPG and had a whole load of mini-games and lots of fun things to do.

[Andronicus]

I think Chrono Cross is the best followed by FF8 and FF7. I also like ToD and ToD2:)

[Strider]

> No way is it better than the original. Not by any strech of the imagination. The only thing it beats it on is graphics.
Trigger had better plot, better character development, better music (although not quality, just better comosed, so that the battle theme doesn't irritate you), and a better game engine. One of the things I liked about the original was that a battle was jumped into almost instantaneously, and they were really quick.
If you need a couple of games for the hols, Xenogears and FFTactics will easily hold you over. Finish FF9 first before you get any new games tho, otherwise you will end up with a pile of RPGs you have never got round to completing

i liked the cc battle music, its just that the battle transitions sucked

[Snake785]

FF7 was a great game! I'm currently playing Star Ocean 2 and thats a great game as well.

But then, nothing beats Chrono Trigger. ;) The PSX port of it wasn't very good because of the load times.

[RhombusYSS]

If you play the CT port on the emu from an iso though it's pretty quick, almost no load time... I like having all those extras too... like you can view all the different endings, the added FMV's, and the character sketches and sound test... pretty cool!

[ebola]

TOD2 rocks. I actually like FF9. I really disliked FF8. FFtactics was cool too.

[sxamiga]

For me it would have to be Wild Arms, FF 7, and then Alundra 2. I haven't really gotten into FF 9 and Wild Arms 2 that much, yet, but I have heard that they are excellent also.
sincerely,
sx/amiga

[Cless]

1.Xenogears
2.Star Ocean
3.Final Fantasy Tactics
4.TOD2
5.Grandia
There are what I feel are the 5 best rpgs on the psx. The ct port was ok, legend of leagia is good. Final Fantasy 8 is one fot the worsest rpg's I ever played. I never could get into cc, It just didn't apeal to like ct or the others did.

[Ninjaa]

Chrono Trigger on PSX just plain sucks, any way you want to cut it. At least that's my opinion.

Chrono Cross wasn't bad, but I found it to be really lacking compared to the original.

My favorite would have to be Final Fantasy Tactics, hands down. Since it has been announced for GBA, I am a truly happy man. I just wish I had more money. I still have a whole slew of GameCube games that I want.

[chaosblade]

Legend Of Dragoon Justs keeps poping into 1st place here !
id give it a 10/10 review , 5 stars !!

[Kellicros]

Thousand Arms is my favourite, I like the girl dating idea in this RPG and the voice acting in this game is incredibly good!

Beside that, I enjoy playing FF series, Xenogears and Tales Of Destiny 2.

[Quatro]

Final fantasy series for me

[Ryos]

> Thousand Arms...the voice acting in this game is incredibly good!

The English voice acting? Good lord! o_O

My favorite PSX RPG is down to two different games, and it mostly depends on the alignment of the planets or my mood on any given day. Xenogears is the game that I played and was so vastly superior to any of the PSX RPGs before it. Other than the monster variety, it was absolutely the best in every category. Now that I've gotten into anime, I like Xenogears even more (if that's possible :p). I also like Suikoden 2 a lot. Although there are some strange bugs, it's quite a bit of fun. Despite its age, Suikoden is also one of the best RPGs on the PSX.

And whenever Lina`chan and the crew get around to finishing the translation, Tales of Phantasia most likely will be, seeing how I loved the SNES version and the PSX version - at least on paper - is better in every way, unlike the usual remake.

Edited the post to make my very brief comment on voice acting clearer. It was referring to Thousand Arms.

[Ninjaa]

Ryos, I agree with you for the most part on English voice acting, but I actually liked the voice of Lenneth Valkyrie in Valkyrie Profile. I will have to wait and see on Skies of Arcadia I guess.

[fujita]

Hello everyone.
I agree with you Ninja. In my opinion, the voices in Valkyrie Profile can be considered as one of the best. You can see the difference between the other game from the same developer, Star Ocean 2, and you'll notice that unlike SO2, VP voices acting are excellently done. The insertion of voices during the battles really heats up the situation. One reason why I love VP over any FF series. ;)

[Eface]

I want to play valkrie profile, xenogears, and thousand arms.....
I'm playing legend of dragoon right now....(emulated of course) and i've gotta say, THE GRAPHICS ARE AWESOME!!!!(hell, what do i expect 1024x768x32 4xAA) i like the combo-system, keeps u alert. I like the voiceacting. Its nice....

/edit/ btw, i don't own vp, xenogears of thousand arms... And it's nowhere to be found in the stores here..... someone help me plz

[Ryos]

Eface: I think those are only NTSC games.

[Kane]

Ya, EFace, you'll have to import them. That's what I had to do anyway. :p

[<Id>]

For me of course Xenogears is going to be number one. Chrono Cross is another one I really enjoyed. The only thing I didn't like was the ending and the final battle. The battle was stupidly easy, and the ending was not that great either. And yes I saw most of them. I also have to agree that Chrono Trigger was a lot better. I just liked the SNES version, never played the other one.

and Eface Darren, Xenogears is going PAL soon.

[Eface]

to bad games like that don't sell in my area.
but NTSC, that is japanese, or is that american?
(one pro, japanese DVD are region 2 , i live in region 2. so that part of import is no prob)

[RhombusYSS]

US uses NTSC, Japan uses NTSC-J

[Hydra]

For me Final Fantasy 7 is still king of RPG.

[Strider]

> For me of course Xenogears is going to be number one. Chrono Cross is another one I really enjoyed. The only thing I didn't like was the ending and the final battle. The battle was stupidly easy, and the ending was not that great either. And yes I saw most of them. I also have to agree that Chrono Trigger was a lot better. I just liked the SNES version, never played the other one.


i totally agree with you about the crono cross stuff... but i thought the last battle was sort of hard (to get the 6 colours in the right order) since the boss used his own attacks which werent right for my pattern... so i had to develop a strategy later on

[Auri87]

the voice acting which i hated the most was in ToD2

[Kane]

feebrel!
It is starting to get annoyyin. I was just about coping with it at first, but now it's really starting to grate.

[fujita]

Then how about 'kweekee'! :D
If you hate the voices in TOD2, then you will hate the voices in the first TOD. Stahn's voices in battles sound like he's choking a frog. :D

[<Id>]

WHat is TOD? Tales of Destiny?

[fujita]

Yep, TOD is Tales of Destiny. So, TOD2 is Tales of Destiny 2 (Tales of Eternia).

[Lavos]

When is xenogears going PAL?

[Kane]

It's not. End of story. You have to get it from the States.

[hnayoung]

It's hard for me to place a finger on what I thought the best RPG was for the PSX...but the most memorable ones for me was Final Fantasy 9, Lunar Silver Star Story Complete, Parasite Eve (even though it was incredibly short I had tons of fun playing it), and Final Fantasy Tactics (RPG/Strategy kinda like Vandal Hearts). Since you're playing FF9 at the moment I strongly suggest you try both of the Lunar games if you haven't already...although I like the first one better, both are superb rpg's.

[DarkAurora]

I'd have to say my two fav psx rpg's are Final Fantasy 7 and Chrono Cross. I think I like Chrono Cross better than a lot of people because I wasn't expecting it to be a real sequel. I thought it was going to be like Final Fantasy sequels and have nothing to do with Chrono Trigger.

[sxamiga]

Another RPG I migh reccomend is Beyond the Beyond. It is quite old and a lot of poeple seem to dilike and even laugh at it, but I like it. If you can find it, maybe you should give it a try.
sincerely,
sx/amiga

[Ninjaa]

Originally posted by DarkAurora
I'd have to say my two fav psx rpg's are Final Fantasy 7 and Chrono Cross. I think I like Chrono Cross better than a lot of people because I wasn't expecting it to be a real sequel. I thought it was going to be like Final Fantasy sequels and have nothing to do with Chrono Trigger.

Yes, but you can easily recognize a Final Fantasy when you see one. Final Fantasies 1 - 6 were all very similar, and maintained the same feel throughout. Chrono Cross is nothing like Chrono Trigger. The artwork, gameplay, and plot are VERY different from Chrono Trigger. Chrono Trigger was created by the best that Enix and Square had to offer. Chrono Cross was created entirely by Square. In the end, it just lost everything that Chrono Trigger had.

[ShADoWFLaRe85]

Enix actually makes some good games. I remember the Legend of Gaia for SNES and Star Ocean 2 would probably be my favorite for the PSX.

[Ninjaa]

Let's not forget Dragon Quest 5 & 6, or Valkyrie Profile.

Dragon Quest is a far better game than Final Fantasy if you ask me. The Japanese seem to agree since every Dragon Quest made has far outsold Final Fantasy.

[Strider]

Originally posted by Ninja


Yes, but you can easily recognize a Final Fantasy when you see one. Final Fantasies 1 - 6 were all very similar, and maintained the same feel throughout. Chrono Cross is nothing like Chrono Trigger. The artwork, gameplay, and plot are VERY different from Chrono Trigger. Chrono Trigger was created by the best that Enix and Square had to offer. Chrono Cross was created entirely by Square. In the end, it just lost everything that Chrono Trigger had.

... It lost everything but improved some things, the graphics were bound to be better but they turned out to be very good... and the cg movies were really good too, although a little short most of the time... some of the music was very good too, although the greatness was not consistent... but yeah, story sucked, most of the characters sucked, gameplay wasnt too good... etc

[<Id>]

They should develop a PAL version though. I always wondered what all teh developers have against Europe. ALl the games either come out late.... or they never come out. It sucks!

[Ninjaa]

Strider, I did like some of the music in Chrono Cross, and I did think the graphics were nice. But that's not the point. It was like they didn't even try to make it look like Chrono Trigger. It was a total insult. Chrono Trigger was an anime style game, and the music was quite distinctive. Chrono Cross looked TOTALLY different, and the music was completely changed. It wasn't recognizable as a Chrono Game, and the game was seriously lacking in quality.

[fujita]

I agree with sxamiga. Believe it or not, Beyond Is Beyond the first RPG I played after I have a PSX console. This game has introduced me to the excitement world of RPG. At least it still a good game to be played, compared to some others. ;)

I believe in Chrono Cross, the developers failed to create the continuity of the storyline from Chrono Trigger. Chrono Cross has a good storyline, but the connection between it and the predecessor, it didn't succeed. Well, that's just my opinion. :)

[RhombusYSS]

**WARNING!! SPOILER AHEAD!!!**
I thought the main problem with plot with Chrono Cross was that it didn't slowly progress and lead up throughout the game... like you're just playing and doing the things you are because you're following around certain characters (following Lynx, or following Evil Serge) but you don't really know why it's essential for the plot and almost ALL of the plot aspects are introduced in the last hour of gameplay with seemingly little connection between the story of the first 95% of the game.

I mean I learned more of the plot and feel of the game just from talking to the CT gang on the beach before fighting Time Devourer than throughout the whole previous part of the game. And to learn the plot from just reading simple conversations, and not through real gameplay or multimedia was kind of a letdown.

[Strider]

> Strider, I did like some of the music in Chrono Cross, and I did think the graphics were nice. But that's not the point. It was like they didn't even try to make it look like Chrono Trigger. It was a total insult. Chrono Trigger was an anime style game, and the music was quite distinctive. Chrono Cross looked TOTALLY different, and the music was completely changed. It wasn't recognizable as a Chrono Game, and the game was seriously lacking in quality.


yes, that is true that it barely (if at all) related to its predecessor... which sucked, and i know that wasnt part of the point of what you were talking about, but i just wanted to say something good about the game since it does have some good things...but yeah, ct is the better of the two, and even though its the same series, it barely relates to cc... i think they should have made cc more like radical dreamers... less characters and including magus as a character would've been a really good boost for the game, also they couldve tried to stay to the music style of ct

[Cless]

I never liked cc I felt that the chars in were just there and no or little plot envolemnet.

[Strider]

i think i said that exact thing somewhere before, not sure if here though *scratches head* ... anyways, yeah, characters and plot development were 2 big things that killed the game

[Eface]

what about the multitechs....
only 6? when u got 45? characters?
ct: A LOT with 6 chars.

[Strider]

ct had 7 characters i believe

[Eface]

details......
anyways. everybody agrees that there WERE a lot more techs than people....

[Ninjaa]

Yeah, they whould at least have worked the battle system the same way rather than packing in a bunch of characters that I am never going to use.

[Strider]

throughout the game i used very few characters, and a lot of the characters i did use i only used because i had to use them... if only they developed dual-techs and triple-techs like in ct and cut down on the characters it might have seemed more unique

[Ninjaa]

Yeah, that's part of the reason I didn't like the game. The sheer amount of characters in the game was a drawback. You can either use just a couple, or you can try to juggle the whole works. The juggling worked quite well in Chrono Trigger, but it was horribly executed in Chrono Cross because there were so many characters.

[Demigod]

I hated the way the characters were blank slates. Like FF7 and FF8 the abilities of the characters were limited to what elements were equipped on them. They also took out the double/triple tech system (only a few characters have them) that I loved in CT so much:cry:

[Cless]

agree with ninja.

[RhombusYSS]

I remember when I heard they were making Chrono Cross, a Chrono Trigger sequel on PSX I had some ideas. Like I thought there'd be more double and triple techs...

But what I was looking for the most was the location mattering like in CT... like your techs and where your characters stood made a difference for area effects... I thought it would be like CT but even better, cause they'd have 3d areas of effect... but alas double and triple techs were practically cut from the game, and all area effect, location-based attack systems were cut as well