FF8. V2 Verses Geforce 4 MX Screenshoots

[ChrisRay]

As requested in this thread.

http://www.ngemu.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14658



I am posting some screenshots comparing the Voodoo2 Image quality to the Geforce 4 MX image quality. To be fair I ran each card in 1024x786 resolution (oddly I didn't even think the Voodoo2 supported that resolution but it works fine)

First Screenshot will Be Voodoo2, Followed by Geforce 4 MX in that order.

[ChrisRay]

Geforce 4 MX 4xS FSAA

[ChrisRay]

Full Zell Shot (better comparison) on Voodoo2.

[Recca]

looks better with gf 4mx

[ChrisRay]

Geforce MX 4xS FSAA of course...

[ChrisRay]

Shiva on the Voodoo2.

[ChrisRay]

And finally Shiva on the Geforce 4 MX 4xS FSAA

[Kane]

Are you running the GeForce 4 MX in 16-bit?

[ChrisRay]

Yup 16 bit. I never use 32 Bit color unless I have too.. Probably because of my wierd 3dfx Fanboyishness.

[Kane]

For a fair comparison, shouldn't you either
1) Run both of them indentical rez, identical FSAA settings, or
2) Run both of them at what everyone would run them in which would be:
>Voodoo 2: 800x600x16
>GeForce 4 MX: 1024x768x32 4xS FSAA

[ChrisRay]

Well the reason I did it the way I did was to try and put them on equal terms, Not point out the obvious weakness of the Voodoo2 card.

And just curious, Whats wrong with doing the Voodoo2 at 1024x786 reso?

[Kane]

It's not the normal res you run a Voodoo at. It's fastest at 800x600

[ChrisRay]

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

I was just trying to give the Voodoo2 a chance to actually compare!

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:


j/k

To be honest I read multiple reviews saying the Voodoo2's max resolution was 800x600, maybe newer drivers allowed it go higher.

/shrug I just know it worked fine and the speed was 50 fps + for me which I guess was ok for a Voodoo2.


Edit: next time I post SS I'll take the v2 in 800x600 =D

[Kane]

It was just a suggestion. There is no need to cry...

[Cylinder]

LoL, did you really need to compare a relic of a display adapter to a 'new' one like this? Was there ever a contest here... really..? Now if it was GF4MX Vs. VooDoo 6000, then yah that would be something.

Still kinda funny though.

[Kane]

I would still use a Voodoo 2 if I had one. I love old Glide games (Screamer 2, Rally)

[ChrisRay]

LoL, did you really need to compare a relic of a display adapter to a 'new' one like this? Was there ever a contest here... really..? Now if it was GF4MX Vs. VooDoo 6000, then yah that would be something.



I was asked to in a previous thread.

[SkyeHack]

GF4MX looks a lot better.

[Kane]

That's mainly owing to the 4xS FSAA. I rather think that that biases it in favour of said Video card.

[SkyeHack]

yeah try it without any FSAA and post some pics.

[fivefeet8]

Then lets compare image quality on this Voodoo 5 5500 agp to the Geforce 4 mx shall we..

[Samor]

Originally posted by Lord Kane
I would still use a Voodoo 2 if I had one. I love old Glide games (Screamer 2, Rally)

:) :)

2 voodoo2's were able to do 1024x768 :)

[Kane]

I'd love a V5 for older games which don't require stupid amounts of speed.

[Xeven]

Originally posted by fivefeet8
Then lets compare image quality on this Voodoo 5 5500 agp to the Geforce 4 mx shall we..

owkey Boss.. :p

[ChrisRay]

Geforce 4 MX without FSAA Shiva

[ChrisRay]

And the voodoo2 image so you can see it side by side.

[ChrisRay]

Rinoa on the Geforce 4 MX without FSAA

[ChrisRay]

And here she is on the Voodoo2.

[ChrisRay]

Hey fivefeet thats a rather hard one to duplicate, Post something I can duplicate =D

I doubt there will be much difference as the v5 and Geforce 4 MX use the same method of FSAA.

[Kane]

The Voodoo one is slightly crisper to my mind.

[ChrisRay]

Personally I think they look identical except the G4 has some better colors in small areas like Shiva's hair.

I think the g4 has less jaggies, But that might just be an angle thing. There's not an extreme difference. I think the voodoo2 held up extremely well.

[Kane]

Originally posted by ChrisRay
I doubt there will be much difference as the v5 and Geforce 4 MX use the same method of FSAA.
The Voodoo 5 uses the T-buffer to FSAA in hardware. It also uses a rotated grid to improve FSAA quality. It's the same technique (Multisampling), but the Voodoo 5's quality is still tops.

[fivefeet8]

Here is one to compare with your Shiva shot.. THis is done at 800x600 with 4xFSAA..

[fivefeet8]

Originally posted by ChrisRay
Since I have not seen the v5 in action I'll have to take your word on it.

I just wonder how much of a difference it could make?

The Geforce 4 line does have quite a few more options for Anti aliasing now right?

I was under the assumption that Voodoo5's still were limited to 2x and 4x.

Mayben newer drivers added more =D

No.. Newer drivers didn't add any new FSAA options.. It's always been only 2x or 4x for Voodoo 5's.. Anyways, most of those new FSAA options do little for psx emulation..

[ChrisRay]

It's pretty close I'd say fivefeet, they both look really good.

4xS FSAA


edit: Btw you might wanna refresh this one as I posted the wrong pic the first time lol

[ChrisRay]

Well I was actually referring to Quincunx Anti aliasing which is a totally different kind of FSAA with the geforce 3 and g4 mx and ti cards.

I think the V5 is still slightly ahead of the g4 line. Maybe one day Nvidia will actually make it better.

[fivefeet8]

Ok.. Here is a real comparison.. Since your shot is at 1024x768.. Lets see the same resolution on my voodoo 5 and 4xFSAA..

[Kane]

Give me that V5!!!
The Quincunx Antialiasing of nVidia was designed as a shortgut to provide better removal of edge jaggies without as much of an inherent performance drop. The problem is that it blurs everything.

[ChrisRay]

Here's Quincunx Antialiasing for Shiva,

Much blurrier as Lord Kane has pointed out.

[ChrisRay]

Yup , you'll notice the v5 smooths the legs of shiva slightly better in it's 4x.

4xS is close tho.

Btw kain., The Geforce 4 Line (Ti and MX do part of there FSAA in hardware, It's not a t-buffer but it's the accuview antialiasing engine) Which is supposively similar to the old technique exceptthe hardware Helps the proccess along speeding it up significantly or so they say. I still lose about 25% FPS with it enabled.

But my Geforce 2 MX 200 lost... like.. 50% FPS with it enabled at 4x...

maybe it is better, maybe it';s just a faster card.

[Samor]

...and I think I like the colors better

[Shadow Lady]

I think Voodoo 5 is better but if only can compare the two pics whit same color depth could be better ;P

[ChrisRay]

I assumed the v5 was in 16 bit color.

[Kane]

The V5 can do 32bit.

[ChrisRay]

Ya I know. was a bad assumption on my part. Not like it really matters, I don't wanna take anymore screenshots =D

[Cylinder]

No V5 6000 in the house? Or could anyone fit that thing in thier house.. c'mon I wanna see some 8xFSAA from that bad boy.