Playstation 2 Emulator in the Works

[Keith]

http://www.psxfanatics.com/index.php .. come check it out :)

[Xeven]

hmm, i wonder how long they've been working on it.. as well as how far they've gone thru making out the hardware..

[Betamax]

Interesting piece of news. Although I'd still guess it'll still be a good couple of years before we get anywere close to todays current psx ones.

[Shiori]

I can't believe you posted screenshots of my ePS2e, Keith! :cry: I told you it's top secret!

Never underestimate the power of M$VB! :evil: :evil: :evil:


:heh:

I really wouldn't expect this to really take off until, say, 2004? :p But it's an emulation breakthrough. Hoping for its speedy development. :)

[CD]

*yawn*

[ToM_E]

...um....whatever...

[Esturk]

Surprised this hasn't been closed yet..........:rolleyes: Bad Wormie! Yes I know Keith is a Mod.

[Shiori]

Those yellow stars never looked good on him anyway. ;)

[Keith]

Originally posted by Esturk17
Surprised this hasn't been closed yet..........:rolleyes: Bad Wormie! Yes I know Keith is a Mod. Why close it? This is the real thing. Totaly legit :)

[Esturk]

I know, I know. I am just used to seeing sooooo many fake ones in the past, all the noobs posting their fake fantasies. I was just surprised to see you posting about a PS2 emu!:)

[EXE]

WoW!!! hope it can play commercial games

[fivefeet8]

Originally posted by Stevenlcw
WoW!!! hope it can play commercial games

If it is true.. NOt for a long while.. Atleast not with any playable speed..

[Bahamut_Zero]

wow, that's great.....

[Kellicros]

intresting. :cool:

[Andronicus]

It must require a lot of processor power. We just wait and see.

[Shiori]

I just wondered.... does that mean it's not going to be plugin-based, kinda like VBA? :confused:

[Andronicus]

I don't know but I like plugin based emulator.

[chaosblade]

Nice ...
But still if its playable (which is not i guess ) it will play at what -
0.0001 FPS with lowest options ?

[Hanamichi]

AMD 1400 runs it at 60 FPS .. cool. I should have waited , and not buying this defective $750 PS2.

[CKemu]

hmmm intresting, mindu the screenies did show a wopping 15 FPS on something that looked very simple, well I am looking forward to it in say 4 years by the time it gets to ePSXe level, mindu atleast it shows someone is VERY BRAVE for trying a truly challenging project, here's hoping.

Hmmm I wonder who the lucky few that will get to BETA test this thing!!....this reminds me of all the hype that surrounded ultraHLE when that first dawned........ :D

[Recca]

But he said that it run 80-90 constant speed on his 1.4ghz.

man i have an 1ghz. Wonder how fast it's on my pc

[fivefeet8]

Its such a simple demo.. heck, it takes a 600 mhz machine to run that simple demo at 15 fps!! No sound, no 3d, just lines?! Now imagine if you will, full 3d, sound, controllers, and cd rom and now guess how powerful of a machine will be needed..

It is interesting to see some parts of it work though.. But I wouldn't get too excited about it running that demo at 60 fps on a 1.4 gig tbird..

[Recca]

You are probably right since it is just a demo HEH

[Keith]

yeah like I said in my post, it's in early development so don't expect it to run games or anything. The main reason for the post is to let people know that there is an actual PS2 Emu in development.

[chaosblade]

check pete's page for a deatiled post about how would a REAL
game , not a DEMO , work at today's machines ...

[sxamiga]

ePSXE to run well = medium to high end machine. PS2 to run well = 2.2ghz or higher? :)
sincerely,
sx/amiga

[CKemu]

but who cares by the time a 'reasonable' emu is released most machines will have that kinda spec or higher, unless u NEVER upgrade ya machine, but surely this is enough, we all got that warm feeling that PS2 emulation is in development, no more speculation is needed until more news is released, hopefully alittle more now and then will build anticipation.... but hey I am very happy with the systems that are emulated currently, not to say its not good news, but when I think of how many systems u can emulate, I think I am gonna be happy!

But to whoever is developing the PS2 emulator, I would personally like to say good luck, and all the best, if Keith u can pass on my support I would be grateful as I believe that anyone who can set down to do this deservers all the best (oh and if they ever need a tester lol j/k? )

[aldo]

4.1.2 ? (this is a date not a version)

[Kane]

Omoshiroi. However, it is a tech demo, hardly pushing the limits of the PS2's(PC's) power. We will probs need far beefier PC's to run commercial games.
I'm not dissing the authors, or the emu, but I think people should take a step back and think. It is likely to take a long time to get this emu to the commercial state, and when they do, it will require a beast of a machine (At least in comparison to now).
Just my two-penneth.

[dn]

Originally posted by sxamiga
ePSXE to run well = medium to high end machine. PS2 to run well = 2.2ghz or higher? :)
sincerely,
sx/amiga heh, afaik, intel are planning to release a 2.0 Ghz sometime in the near future ;)

[Kane]

They already have..... They have recently(?) released the 2.2 Northwood, which is about on a par, if not slightly faster than a AMD Athlon XP 2000+(1.67GHz)

[Sniper]

if the author do most his code in c/c++ and asm, I'm sure, a 1ghz cpu with a geforce 2GTS/Geforece 3 ti level should run fine at 50fps, with 256mb recommended 512.
you really don't need much processing speed, just do a simple calculation, the power need to run your os, if you had win98, you need to minus then ram need to run it, that is -32mb mini, it's more likely minus 64mb, eg: if a ps2 had 128mb ram in side, then you would need a mini of 192mb of ram.
win98 need only a p2 233 to run it, so 233+ps2 cpu power=needed cpu.
if ps2 had 450mhz. you need 233+450=683mhz.
forget about graphic card, by the time a real ps2 come out, I'm sure most ppl had atleast geforce 2,
so it really don't need much power to run.

if the code is done very optimized.
but ofcoz it's not really likely the coder to be that optimized, so we just add about 200mhz of dummy coding, which should be enough.
so a 1ghz with 256mb with a geforce2GTS gf3 level card should had no problem with a emulator for ps2.
as, I assume, most the graphic processing power are put onto the graphic card's gpu to calculate graphic stuff.

[Kane]

The problem is the architecture. The PS2's GPU has access to a 4096-bit data bus to the memory. My Geforce 3 has 256-bit (IIRC)

[Zell]

Still, i'm impressed by the work , it just shows that it's possible and the hardware power is already on a good level !!

[Auri87]

im really looking forward to this
good luck guys

[Sniper]

Originally posted by Lord Kane
The problem is the architecture. The PS2's GPU has access to a 4096-bit data bus to the memory. My Geforce 3 has 256-bit (IIRC)

yeah that's a problem with all emulation, 1 possible solution is to dump the whole game in RAM then it won't had a problem, but the problem is not much ppl in the world got so much RAM, haha I only got 256mb, damn should had bought couple gb of RAM when they're damn cheap.

[CKemu]

Here's to the future, mindu just I scary thought, the PS2 emu will have to run PS 1 games as the real hardware does, and perhaps one day play DVD's won't that cause trouble, because if u swap BIOS u would be able to watch differemt region DVD's on a PC, hmmmm methinks whoever is doing this emu is wise to keep secretive, unless they never allow for the DVD movie capacity

[CD]

Originally posted by CKemu
Here's to the future, mindu just I scary thought, the PS2 emu will have to run PS 1 games as the real hardware does, and perhaps one day play DVD's won't that cause trouble, because if u swap BIOS u would be able to watch differemt region DVD's on a PC, hmmmm methinks whoever is doing this emu is wise to keep secretive, unless they never allow for the DVD movie capacity

No emulator would have to do either of those things.

And for christ's sake everyone, stop throwing out lame guesses about 'needed' system specs.

I repeat, *yawn*

[Sniper]

Originally posted by CKemu
Here's to the future, mindu just I scary thought, the PS2 emu will have to run PS 1 games as the real hardware does, and perhaps one day play DVD's won't that cause trouble, because if u swap BIOS u would be able to watch differemt region DVD's on a PC, hmmmm methinks whoever is doing this emu is wise to keep secretive, unless they never allow for the DVD movie capacity

oh yeah it can run ps1 game too, that's cool, that mean if it get to the point where it beat epsxe in emulation, we can basicly switch to the new emu, and play dvd and ps2 game that's cool to had,
or maybe the ps2 emu work with the epsxe team and embedde epsxe into the ps2 emu then he'll save a lot of time.

[Xeven]

umm, yeah.. ehe.. :heh:

[Snake785]

Hmmm....I just want to see how long it takes for it play commercial games....

I understand that it's in very early development but I just want to know.

[Esturk]

Oh gee it's a PS2 emu..... Who cares. You guys have gotten way too worked up about it.

[Xeven]

i believe the man has A point.. :)

[Snake785]

You have a point. I don't really care as well, since i don't have a PS2 so i have so games for it. But I'm curious how it will turn out for emulation sake.

[Demigod]

Like others have already suggested, I think the main problem with PS2 emulation is that the PC and PS2 architecture are totally different. I don't think the PS2 is more powerful than the PC (I mean look at the X-box's graphical capabilities and it's only a 700 Mhz CPU + underpowered GeForce 3), but it's going to have hard to emulate a 2560 bit system bus and a 4096 bit graphics bus. Still, emulation is the art of mimicking all things are possible. It's good people are working on it but I don't think we'll be seeing any tangible results (commercial games running on it) for a while.

[Ninjaa]

Hmmm.... maybe I will get a chance to play Metal Gear Solid 2 all the way through someday. I just can't really justify spending that much money so that I can play the 2 games on PS2 that interest me.

[yoshi]

this is the only real fake in the world. it's not possible that u can play so techinacal demos. i think it's just a fake

[CKemu]

haha, eat your words :).....check out the news!

[Auri87]

i think that there will be a ps2 emulator out sooner then we'd expect. I mean i thought it would be imposible to emulater the psx and look at us now epsxe can run like 90% of the games perfectly

[ShadowDancer]

Originally posted by CD


No emulator would have to do either of those things.

And for christ's sake everyone, stop throwing out lame guesses about 'needed' system specs.

I repeat, *yawn*

Who cares if they're throwing out guesses on the systems specs. It's all part of the curiosity that people have and it just makes it more fun to guess.

Why should people stop doing this, just because you're a mod?

Please.

[CpU MasteR]

I look at the So Called PS2 Emus Screenshots, Still Looks Fake to me. Keith, $5 Bucks Ride on this one....

[Shiori]

Originally posted by Kr0nic_2000
i think that there will be a ps2 emulator out sooner then we'd expect. I mean i thought it would be imposible to emulater the psx and look at us now epsxe can run like 90% of the games perfectly

I guess those "old-skool" skeptics will never change, eh? ;)

If we believe, anything is possible. :)

[Shiori]

Originally posted by CpU MasteR
I look at the So Called PS2 Emus Screenshots, Still Looks Fake to me. Keith, $5 Bucks Ride on this one....

Maybe you should read Bobbi's post about this PS2 emu, sir. :)

[john2]

Man i'm shocked,nice work guys,truly nice work :).Who'd have thought days ago when i wrote in a post <<.....oh well,we can wait that ps2 emulator we were saying,right?XAXAXAXA :D >> that a ps2 emulator was being developed,xaxaxaxaxa oh well,hope i can play Winning Eleven 6 in my pc as Konami will never release it on pc's :)

[zero0w]

I remembered from reading a magazine a long time ago that PS2 emotion engine has about 3 times the performance (in some processing FLOPS benchmark) as a Pentium III 500 Mhz.

Regardless, the emotion engine consists of both CPU and GPU in the PS2 hardware, right? While in PC a GF4 will share much loading from the CPU. And remember, real PS2 ALWAYS displayed in 640x480, no higher screen resolution possible (well Linux kit with TV output that's a different story).

So in theory, it might be the time to reach a state that's at least ready for some experimental (and perhaps slow) PS2 emulation. Of course to overcome the difficulty in processing those high memory bandwidth (Rambus DRAM) and buffering system of PS2 architecture (during emulation) will not be an easy task. And once again PS2 game developers have their own proprietary libraries so there will be more blocks to get over. Well let's see if the 6 programming references (in PDF) coming with PS2 linux kit will help the emu-programmers in any way.

[Auri87]

my dreams to playing all the way through ffX and mgs2 comes just a little bit closer

[Sniper]

One thing in my mind is, ps2 use 1x DVD I think, so, no matter how fast the graphic engine to the cpu is, still it had to wait to get the data off the disc, but a pc many ppl now had 16x DVD drive, and that's a hell lot faster than a ps2, so in my mind, even thought a pc can't beat a ps2 in memory access between graphic and cpu, but it had the advantage to read data off the disc faster, therefore it should be ok in emulation.16x is a hell lot faster than a ps2's graphic memory acess between cpu and gpu engine. as dvd speed is measure in kilobytes not in bits.

[KingJames]

Would a PS2 emulator be able to play DVD movies and PS1 games like the real thing? Also what about the modem that Sony are going to release soon? Would we be able to play internet games like Final Fantasy XI on an emulator?

[kairi00]

To those of you who are looking forward to play PS2 games in your PC anytime soon, I have a message for you...

[Demigod]

I think it's a bit too early to be speculating about the capabilities of the supposed upcoming PS2 emulator. At any rate I think the primary focus for it is in the PS2 games, and there's a lot of work to be done just for that. I would think the DVD and PS1 stuff would be one of the last features to implement.

[Ryos]

Originally posted by KingJames
Would a PS2 emulator be able to play DVD movies and PS1 games like the real thing? Also what about the modem that Sony are going to release soon? Would we be able to play internet games like Final Fantasy XI on an emulator? Why in the world would you want a computer to be able to emulate terrible DVD playback? Just about any DVD software program is better.

[Kane]

Originally posted by KingJames
Would a PS2 emulator be able to play DVD movies and PS1 games like the real thing? Also what about the modem that Sony are going to release soon? Would we be able to play internet games like Final Fantasy XI on an emulator?
Furthermore, why would you want to emulate Final Fantasy XI, when the PC version is due for a synchronous release?

[Auri87]

first version of the ps2 emu just came out
im not gonna get it since it cant play full games yet so sumone tell me how it is

[Xeven]

Originally posted by kairi00
To those of you who are looking forward to play PS2 games in your PC anytime soon, I have a message for you...

wooo hooo! i like your cat kairi! :D:p:evil:

[Shiori]

Originally posted by kairi00
To those of you who are looking forward to play PS2 games in your PC anytime soon, I have a message for you...

I wish my cat could do that too. :D

[Mad]

what does it take to make PS2 and PS1 demos??

[Esturk]

Some good programming skills.:)

[Mad]

any link for a begginer??

[Woo]

I'm glad that people are happy about the PS2 emu release, because it's that little buzzzzzzz from emulation that makes me logon everday. However, to think that this time next year we may all be playing PS2 games on our PCs is taking things a little too far. Machines with architecture much closer to that of the PC are still un/poorly emulated. These are 2 guys (thus far) with little experience of PS2 prior to deciding to do this emu.

Good luck to them I say. I hope someone else also tries this and sees how far they can get. Ultimately, it will be emulated, but I'm not going to put a date on who and when that will be achieved, because there are so many stumbling blocks. Whatever the state of play though, we all know now who the first to make progress was and a big round of applause to them. :)

[kiki]

I think XB Emulator will be released before PS2 :)

[Kane]

/Kane slaps forehead
What makes you come to that conclusion?

[chaosblade]

XB emulator ?
maybe is has better graphics , but im sure that every game for
xbox will come out for pc .

[Xeven]

Originally posted by Lord Kane
/Kane slaps forehead
What makes you come to that conclusion?

OHH the humanity!! :D:D:p:evil:

[CKemu]

This thread is STILL going, jeez, @ Lord Kane, at this rate banging it on ya keyboard/desk will be better.......

[Esturk]

Originally posted by kiki
I think XB Emulator will be released before PS2 :)
That's funny..... Isn't there already a PS2 emu?:eek: :D

[Omega]

Dunno, it has already been released??????

[Bahamut_Zero]

well there is a ps2 emulator

[Omega]

what;s its name?

[Bahamut_Zero]

it's PCSX2

[Shiori]

Tell us something we DON'T know

[Omega]

Yeah. like where it can be downloaded, its specification, and bla bla bla :)

[Kane]

It doesn't run commercial games at the moment. Only Tech Demos.

[Omega]

Which ones?

[Kane]

Technical temos, not game demos. It's all on PSXFanatics IIRC.

[Omega]

hmmm thanks for the info kane :)