Will "Gilde" API come with next Nvidia card???

[Enigma1982]

I mail ask about this to Nvidia for 2 days now but no reply come back yet..........I mailed to info@nvidia.com.............
I wonder about this so much..............
I just want your comment from you guy..........

[Raziel]

I don't think it will.
They recently said that some technology(let's hope it's 3dfx's FSAA) from 3dfx would be used in their next generation card(codename NV30).

[Dan]

Just a quick bit...

Before i bought my GeForce 2 card, i had a voodoo 3500... I just swaped them out and went on my marry way... But the stranges thing happened, i am able to play glide games on my GeForce without any problem. Even the glide benchmarks, (eg wizmark) and games play in glide perfectly fine....

Intresting, isnt it?

[Betamax]

Dan is it a creative labs one? If memory serves me correctly creative made a glide wrapper at one stage.

[Enigma1982]

Originally posted by Betamax
Dan is it a creative labs one? If memory serves me correctly creative made a glide wrapper at one stage.
Glide Wrapper ???
Is it work perfect like real Gilde API ???
Before i bought my GeForce 2 card, i had a voodoo 3500... I just swaped them out and went on my marry way... But the stranges thing happened, i am able to play glide games on my GeForce without any problem. Even the glide benchmarks, (eg wizmark) and games play in glide perfectly fine....
Hmm...........what about unreal series???

[Betamax]

Nope glide wrapers are basically emulators. They convert the glide instructions into opengl or D3D so that non glide cards can run on such programs. This takes resources away from the actual game and so if the game supports other modes these will usually be faster. They are only really useful for running glide only games.

For unreal download the latest patches and use either opengl or D3D. However opengl is buggy in unreal so stick with D3D if you can.

[BOB]

Forget it, if i remember correctly whilst 3dfx were alive they said themselves that they were ceasing development of glide in future 3dfx graphics cards (just before they went belly up) and that they would be focusing on OpenGL & Direct 3D.

So, the possibility of nvidia suddenly starting to make a glide api for their graphics cards is extremely unlikely.

Pity really, as i wouldn't mind running UltraHLE on my GeForce 2 GTS without the glide wrapper i am using crashing every other minute.

BOB

[Dan]

Nope, did not install a glide wrapper or anything.. ever...

[Betamax]

yeah but is your card a creative labs one?

[BOB]

My card is a creative card, a Creative 32MB GeForce 2 GTS... fear :)

BOB

[Dan]

Oh, no, as my signature says.. LeadTek... best GeForce cards out there... :)

[Enigma1982]

So what going heppen here :confused:..................

[FINALmasa]

If the GLide libraries weren't uninstalled (VERY likely), that could be it. I don't see why it would work, but that is probably the beginning of the answer.

Also, NVidia wouldn't want 3dfx to live on like that, they'll do their best to kill GLide. I still hate them.

[CDBuRnOuT]

Glide is dying. I wish people would stop pro-longing it's painful death by asking for glide renderers for emulators, Glide API implementations on other cards. FFS people, it's a dead API.
There's not one thing that would merit keeping Glide alive on NEWER cards.

[Enigma1982]

Originally posted by CDBuRnOuT
Glide is dying. I wish people would stop pro-longing it's painful death by asking for glide renderers for emulators, Glide API implementations on other cards. FFS people, it's a dead API.
There's not one thing that would merit keeping Glide alive on NEWER cards.
Well....................
If Gilde is bad or suck API.Why people still request for it...........
Don't you think that....................;)

[takwu]

I am one of those people who keeps going back to old games.
The Need For Speed, Doom, Descent, Carmageddon...
As emulation is usually for older console/arcade games, I can assume many of you also like older PC games like I do.

It's not hard to find dozens of older games that support Glide only. Such as Carmageddon and NFS2se.

It'd be hard for me to cope with a newer card without this backward compatibility. And Glide wrappers are known to be slow and unstable. My next upgrade will very likely be a Voodoo 5 if no better card supports Glide.

[Enigma1982]

Yep that why I want "Gilde"
Because I want to play old games like NFS2se ,Unreal ,Incoming and many games I think if next nvidia no gilde I will buy voodoo 5 5500 PCI

[Satan]

Glide has outlived its usefulness.
Let it die. Just... let it die.

[Dan]

Well, like many have stated... Its a shame that the cards are not backwards compatable... But glide is dead. No 3DFX = No Glide.... I have allways belived that Glide was an inferior API compared to OpenGL...

Anyways, i reinstalled my System, without installing the 3DFX glide drivers and now none of my glide games will work in glide anymore. Maybe if i have spare time, i will try and throw back in my voodoo 3500 and see if i can get the games to work with my geforce again.

[chp]

Originally posted by Betamax
Nope glide wrapers are basically emulators. They convert the glide instructions into opengl or D3D so that non glide cards can run on such programs. This takes resources away from the actual game and so if the game supports other modes these will usually be faster. They are only really useful for running glide only games.

For unreal download the latest patches and use either opengl or D3D. However opengl is buggy in unreal so stick with D3D if you can.


Which Glide Wrapers are you talking about? I tested many and no one was running....

[cairey]

Yep Glide is probably dead and probably never will return. Don't expect Nvidia to release a Glide driver, because I find it unlikely that they will. They would do anything to see it dead, developers too. It's a shame. About the NV25-30 who says Nvidia will be using 3dfx technology. One of the main reasons Nvidia bought 3dfx's technology, trademarks etc was to kill competition. I wouldn't be surprised if the NV30 was called Voodoo.

[hankhoser]

Before i bought my GeForce 2 card, i had a voodoo 3500... I just swaped them out and went on my marry way... But the stranges thing happened, i am able to play glide games on my GeForce without any problem. Even the glide benchmarks, (eg wizmark) and games play in glide perfectly fine....
the fact that some glide games still run on your post-voodoo system probably means that some glide files are still in your system (e.g. glide3x.dll). It most likely isn't doing your system any favours, though, and you should want to get rid of all of them and use openGL instead.

[FINALmasa]

Originally posted by cairey
Yep Glide is probably dead and probably never will return. Don't expect Nvidia to release a Glide driver, because I find it unlikely that they will. They would do anything to see it dead, developers too. It's a shame. About the NV25-30 who says Nvidia will be using 3dfx technology. One of the main reasons Nvidia bought 3dfx's technology, trademarks etc was to kill competition. I wouldn't be surprised if the NV30 was called Voodoo.

And that, my friend, is why Nvidia needs to die.

It's amazing how people are still repeating what I said awhile ago.

[takwu]

Originally posted by cairey
They would do anything to see it dead, developers too. It's a shame.
You mean they would want developers to stop supporting Glide? Or those developers want Glide to die?

Anyways it's funny cause we know Lewpy is still kicking :D

[Betamax]

Originally posted by chp



Which Glide Wrapers are you talking about? I tested many and no one was running....

I meant all of them in general. However to answer your question there was one wrapper that worked pretty well as it was built using 3dfx's glide SDK. Then 3dfx threatened legal action so the author removed it and quality has sucked ever since. I can't remember the name or the version though.

[sxamiga]

Nvidia isn't going to die, at least not any time soon. They are the biggest and best out there right now. I believe that the only competion they were worried about was 3D FX, as their Voodoo 5 cards stood poised to deliver a serious threat to the GEForce line. So they bought out 3D FX and killed them once and for all. I used to like Glide, at least until I discovered OGL. Now I believe that OGL is the "way of the future" while Glide is the "way of the past". Buy your Voodoo 5 cards if you really want glide, but remember that you are buying a dead card w/no more support and no new drivers coming unless a third party makes some. Best to let Glide go out quietly and w/dignity, instead of hoping to keep it around when it's day is clearly done.:(
sincerely,
sx/amiga

[Disturbed]

opengl sucks....totally...

[Disturbed]

**** opengl (and nintendo)......i prefer glide...

[Dan]

Someone is bitter... OpenGL rules, Glide drools....

Ever see the diffrence in games with the two diffrent API?? Check out Deus Ex or halflife... Beatiful in OGL... Crap in Glide...

[Phuzzi]

'They recently said that some technology(let's hope it's 3dfx's FSAA) from 3dfx would be used in their next generation card(codename NV30).'

I'm guessing it'll probably be the tile based rendering methods that 3dfx acquired from Gigapixel.
*
'if i remember correctly whilst 3dfx were alive they said themselves that they were ceasing development of glide in future 3dfx graphics cards'

Glide doesn't support 32bit, and other features being used in the latest games. Why revamp an old API when it's usefullness has been outlived? With the power of the latest PC graphics subsystems, stripped down faster version of larger API's are not so needed.
*
'Pity really, as i wouldn't mind running UltraHLE on my GeForce 2 GTS without the glide wrapper i am using crashing every other minute'

Use Project64.
*
'My card is a creative card, a Creative 32MB GeForce 2 GTS... fear'

That invokes zero fear in anyone.
*
'Oh, no, as my signature says.. LeadTek... best GeForce cards out there...'

In your opinion. I like how you always say 'GeForce2' and leave out the MX part. Cute.
*
'I don't see why it would work, but that is probably the beginning of the answer'

Nor do I, but I doubt he really has any clue whether those games really are running in Glide mode on his GF2.
*
'Is it work perfect like real Gilde API ???'

Nice engrish. No, they normally have glitches, run slowly, and suck large amounts of donkey cock.
*
'If Gilde is bad or suck API.Why people still request for it...........'

Because people are very very stupid. You'll use what you're given, so stfu.
*
'Don't you think that....................'

Is your full stop key jammed down or something? That many dots does not enhance your point at all.
*
'Because I want to play old games like NFS2se ,Unreal ,Incoming and many games I think if next nvidia no gilde I will buy voodoo 5 5500 PCI'

A cheap Voodoo3 PCI would run them perfectly, and could be installed with your newer card. Stop winging. Those games are cack anyway.
*
'I have allways belived that Glide was an inferior API compared to OpenGL...'

No ****. It's a stripped down version anyway. It's no secret it's not as powerful.
*
'Yep Glide is probably dead and probably never will return'

'Probably' dead? No games being written for it, the company which founded it has been liquidated, don't you think that pronounced the API finally dead quite a while ago?
*
'About the NV25-30 who says Nvidia will be using 3dfx technology'

nVidia said 3dfx personnel would be working on the NV30. Speculation says that means it will incorporate some 3dfx technology.
*
'I wouldn't be surprised if the NV30 was called Voodoo'

Really? I'd be really surprised. Most people equate Voodoo with broken promises, fallen from it's previous grace. Even if they released a better product, consumer memories stick hard. You only need to look a Sega's failing with the DC to see that. And anyway, they could have easily released GeForce 3 as Voodoo 6 or whatever if they had wanted to. It's only packaging up some boxes.
*
'the fact that some glide games still run on your post-voodoo system probably means that some glide files are still in your system (e.g. glide3x.dll)'

I want some of what you're smoking.
*
'And that, my friend, is why Nvidia needs to die. It's amazing how people are still repeating what I said awhile ago'

Want a merit badge? You speak like you're some amazing market analyst, and it does you no favours. His reasons do not remotly outline any reason why nVidia needs to die. There are reasons why they should though, imo.
*
'I believe that the only competion they were worried about was 3D FX, as their Voodoo 5 cards stood poised to deliver a serious threat to the GEForce line'

No, i believe they are more worried about ATi. Considering that they're attacking ATi on the mobile front as well now. It was obvious at the v5 launch that even the GF2GTS could outperform the v5.
*
'I believe that OGL is the "way of the future" while Glide is the "way of the past"'

I believe that nVidia seems to be taking the view that D3D is the way of the future actually. But hey, whatever.
*
'opengl sucks....totally...'

****, good argument dood! I was going to try and come up with something to counter that, but ****, you've downplayed any criticisms I might make. </dripping sarcasm>
*
'It has been around such a long time that it has been tweaked just right, and we are learning how to use it more effectively'

It isn't like getting to grips with a tricky cpu, the API has been evolving. I guess you're speaking from the view of a developer, else your statement makes no sense.
*
'**** opengl (and nintendo)......i prefer glide...'

Again, your amazing debate skills shine through like lead nuggets.
*
'Check out Deus Ex or halflife... Beatiful in OGL... Crap in Glide...'

That depends on the card rendering it, bit depths, monitor quality, driver settings, monitor settings, etc. You can easily setup Glide to own an OpenGL rendered scene in the same game, and vice versa.

[Disturbed]

Ten Reasons it sucks to be a dick...

10. You've got a hole in your head.
9. Your master strangles you all the time.

8. Your head is disproportionate to the rest of your body.

7. You shrink in cold water.

6. You never get a haircut.

5. You always hang around with 2 nuts.

4. Your closest neighbor is an *******.

3. Your best friend is a pussy.

2. Your scalp gets cut off if you're Jewish.

And the number one reason why it sucks to be a dick:

1. Everytime you get excited, you throw up.

[CDBuRnOuT]

Owned, hard. Like, to the max.

[Phuzzi]

You have some serious issues Disturbed. And coming from me, believe that this means you should seek counselling. Like, right the **** now.

[Disturbed]

If a turtle loses his shell, is it naked or homeless?

If an orange is orange, why isn't a lime called a green or a lemon called a yellow?

Why does your nose run, and your feet smell?

[YoD]

I got another one :

If you were 0wn3d, why are you still here?

[YoD]

you enjoy getting owned? or is it just to boost your number of useless posts?
oh my...
Phuzzi was right, you really need counselling.

[Disturbed]

...hehe...

[Edit: It's CD, not Cd. And you just earned yourself a long overdue ban. Is it still funny now, dip****? Oh yes, and your ISP's subnet will be banned in addition to your account, e-mail, username, etc..]

[Enigma1982]

Wain..................:eyes:
Anyway 3Dfx already dead.......................
This mean no more enemy in their way............
They will biggest and monopoly video market..........like Intel used to do with CPU market...................
3Dfx used to monopoly market with "Voodoo" then Nvidia come and beat 3Dfx down from the king of VGA
Maybe GeForce 4 just add clock and video ram............
But no one can monopoly anything forever.................
Histroy will repeat itself again.................
Anyway it funny both company are from "Siligon Graphic"

[cairey]

I can see what you're saying Phuzzi, but I am with Dan on this one, he speaks more sense.
I did read that the 110 or so 3dfx engineers were working on the NV30 and using 3dfx technolgy, but I didn't know how much do believe of it. Nvidia have been known for their marketing gimmicks. I knew that 3dfx were working on the Sage + Rampage. I think the NV30 could be some of that. But this is pure speculation. The way you speak Phuzzi make you sound what you're writting is facts. They're just your opinions. I would my self really like to see 3dfx technology used.
The reason I said "I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia used the name Voodoo" is because the name Voodoo means a lot to many people. I think what Lewpy is doing is great, but I have doubts because he has created one of the best GPU plugins. When people move on from Voodoo cards, they will have to rely on Glide wrappers or praise for a Glide driver. Now no one will be able to use his plugin. He will need to leave his code flexible to port to another API.

[CDBuRnOuT]

Umm, even Lewpy himself says his Plugin isn't as accurate as Pete's..
There's no reason to use it unless you've got a card which supports glide, and even then, it's not as accurate, as I stated before..

[cairey]

In that case, probably in less than a year, only a very few people will be using his plugin.

[CDBuRnOuT]

Precisely.

[Enigma1982]

One question ???
Will I able use Georce3AGP + Voodoo 5 5500 PCI in same PC ???

[Phuzzi]

'Well, phuzzi.... How many times imbread are you??'

It's spelt 'inbred'. And i'm not.
*
'Ok, nice start off... good comment... '

Why thankyou.
*
'Well, actually, glide does support 32-bit color... Unfortunately, all of the voodoo 3 cards and below do not... Everything from the 4000 on up does....'

I'm aware it can be forced, however that could be viewed as a 'hack' to get 32bit. It doesn't support 'true' 32bit colour.
*
'Some people like ultraHLE and the low system requirement... '

Yes, but he has a fast graphics card and system. He should try Project64 is what i meant. If you really must use UHLE for some arcane reason, then v2's can be picked up very cheap.
*
'So now you speak for everyone? The GTS would strike fear in most games... If you believe that a game's soul mission in life (?) is to over power you computer and bring the FPS to their knees...'

Eh. It's amusing that you can drag such a statement from me that I never said. Nevertheless, I merely implied that his card is not much to brag about these days.
*
'Humm... part of this board is about expressing your opinion... much like you have been doing?? LeadTek makes the best Geforce, Geforce2, and Geforce3 cards around. MX, GTS, PRO, you name it... does that make you feel better?? '

Yet you seem to take offense to me expressing my opinion. I thought it was obvious that I was taking the piss out of him for being misleading about his card. It just makes him look silly. The MX is a good budget card, and of course I understand well that not everyone can afford a GeForce3.
*
'Actually, i do... Don’t assume any thing... it makes an ass out of you... yep... you.'

You see that just by having the glide files on your computer that non Glide compliant hardware can run Glide games? Sounds pretty messed to me. As for the ass comment, well, how mature.
*
'OH MY GOD! SOMEONE DOES NOT SPEAK VERY GOOD ENGLISH!! Lets point out some of your flaws... but that would be too easy...'

Ok, go for it. I can't see that you've pointed out any yet. It's not like i made a big thing about his spelling, but wouldn't the world be a better place if everyone was just a bit more legible?
*
'You’re so judgmental... So are you white? Baled headed? Run around in Halloween ghost costume on weekends lynching people who are different than you or have a different opinion? Take some college courses or something... Your arrogance astounds me..'

Yes, i'm white. No, i'm not bald. Your train of thought is frankly disturbing, gonna call me a Nazi next? I agree my post was arrogant, that's what gives it its quant charm to some. I finish college in 2 weeks btw, then i'm off to go do a degree in computer science.
*
'Is your full stop key jammed down or something? That many dots does not enhance your point at all.
--- Neither do your comments... '

That doesn't really make sense. Adding a load of full stops to the end of your messages makes you appear to be 'lame'. I'm advising him of that.
*
'Those games are cack anyway.
--- Humm... So who died and made you judge and jury of video games?'

Yeah, that's just a plain arrogant comment from me. To be taken with a pinch of salt.
*
'Well, not exactly stripped down. Yes some features barrowed, but basically a different api with different features and different ways of processing them...'

So by what you're saying, totally different. They're both similair actually, immediate mode renderers, etc. Provide information that Glide is not stripped down then.
*
'Really? Your insight astonishes me.. '

So you think the API will be resurrected for common games being developed? It's almost like you just want to disagree with everything, screw common sense eh.
*
'nVidia said 3dfx personnel would be working on the NV30. Speculation says that means it will incorporate some 3dfx technology.
--- In your opinion...'

No, judging by what i've read from sources that are reliable. That speculation I mentioned was readily apparant at news sites when that particular NV30 information was released.
*
'Yup.'

No sarcasm? You're agreeing? Woot.
*
'Hummm... i know that they were still installed on my system... You can smoke whatever you want.. All i have are some good old luckys. And you can’t have any... your most likely not old enough to have one anyways...'

Oh yes, you certainly are a manly man with your Luckys. I wish I had the sense to spend money constantly damaging my health. FYI, I've been old enough to smoke for quite a while now.
*
'Butta bing!! Look whose talking? Hypocrite right to the bone... imo.'

Please tell me what was hypocritical about that statement, for I am at a loss.
*
'No, i believe they are more worried about ATi. Considering that they're attacking ATi on the mobile front as well now. It was obvious at the v5 launch that even the GF2GTS could outperform the v5.

--- bla bla bal... you have already established your self as self-righteous.. bla bla...'

Umm, whatever. How analysing nVidias current worries makes me self righteous I'm not sure about. I'm sure you have it all figured out up there though, care to share?
*
'Do you know how many times OGL has tried to be thwarted by companies?? Many times... D3D still has it problems as a newer api (compared to OGL), and maybe years down the line it can reach the quality and speed that you can achieve with OGL... D3D largest problem right now is the inefficiency.'

Oh, tut tut. You read me as saying that D3D is better than OGL, although i did not say that now did I? Given that MS and nVidia have worked closely on developing DX8, they do want developers to use DX8 (and hence D3D) to utilise the functions of their new GF3 chipset. Now, both you and I know that actually OGL may be more suited to utilising the programmable nature of that chip, that doesn't mean nVidia prefer it. Please take more care to read what someone says before mouthing off a hot headed reply.
*
'Oppression from the "man". You don’t seem any more intelligent... Maybe less because he didn’t have to use any 4 letter words...'

**** **** ****ity **** ****. It's just a word. My useage of it hardly betrayed any lack of intelligence on my part.
*
'No, it’s like trying to use windows... All the features are there, you just slowly learn how to use more and more of them, and then combinations, and so forth..'

So yes, as I said, he was talking from the point of a developer.
*
'Again, your amazing debate skills shine through like lead nuggets.

--- As do yours..'

A reply that says little. Do you comment for the sake of commenting? If my debate skills also shine like lead nuggets, please show me where. I'm always open to improving myself.
*
'You can easily setup Glide to own an OpenGL rendered scene in the same game, and vice versa.

--- Well, lets just pretend that your not brain dead and ignore what you said. Of course you can make anything look like anything else... you can make a calculus text book look like Janet Reno in a bikini with a little imagination and some plaster...'

This is quite an acheivement. You manage to agree with me, and yet slag me off. Kinda like someone shooting themself in the foot. Congratulations, you've swelled my bloated ego further!

[takwu]

ppl please stop putting unconstructive text in between the constructive ones. others are trying to read.
especially try not to comment on anything about any persons.
we'll have to report to the mods if this keeps up.
another thing to keep in mind is to stop repeating yourselves in subsequent posts.

enigma asked my question too. I'd like to keep two cards, one for glide, when the gaming world has advanced so much that a voodoo5 will not be enough. I doubt it'll be soon tho.

now for some constructive comments:
- nvidia bought 3dfx. they didnt need to if 3dfx was not a threat. I know I know 3dfx was dying, but it'll still be a threat to nvidia if someone else bought it instead.
- Glide was introduced as a way to introduce 3d acceleration to gaming.
OpenGL was the way to 3d accelerated application.
and D3D was the way to wide compatibility among very different h/w in 3d accelerated gaming.
You see they all came from different places. Each has their unique advantages and disadvantages. Each has evolved, but none has done so much that it'd completely overshadow another.
- Glide died because of it's incompatibility with other cards. Less intensive games started to use D3D for compatibility, then many people did not need to get a voodoo card, any D3D card would do. Nvidia launched the first TNT, which supported OpenGL and of course D3D. TNT on OGL rivaled Voodoo2 on Glide. Much higher end (and higher priced) 3D cards also supported OGL. So some games started supporting OGL instead of Glide. 3Dfx started adding some support for OGL as well so their cards so they are more compatible (Quake 2 needed such). But some games still supported all 3 API because Glide was still much better than D3D for old voodoo card owners. When 3dfx started to have more OGL support on newer cards and the user base of older voodoo cards were shrinking, games no longer need Glide.
You might think yeah yeah I already knew all that. But look carefully, Glide did not die because of it's performance. Rather it was its compatibility.

[Satan]

Originally posted by Phuzzi
Ok, go for it. I can't see that you've pointed out any yet. It's not like i made a big thing about his spelling, but wouldn't the world be a better place if everyone was just a bit more legible?

Yes, and this board would be much better if everyone* was a bit smarter. But we can't ban people for idiocy, so we'll just have to deal with it.
You know, there are many ESL** users here, and it's considered very lame to pick on their grammatical errors. Their "engrish" (sic) may not be as good as yours, but I'm sure your french or german or is not as good as theirs.

*you
**English as a Second Language

[i]Originally posted by Phuzzi
I finish college in 2 weeks btw, then i'm off to go do a degree in computer science.

Well, good luck. Who knows, maybe one day you'll even understand something about what you're talking. You'll surprise me if you do.

Originally posted by Phuzzi
No, judging by what i've read from sources that are reliable. That speculation I mentioned was readily apparant at news sites when that particular NV30 information was released.

Oh, I see. It's on the internet, so it must be true. (http://finalwinter.virtualave.net/images/ironyalert.gif) :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Phuzzi
**** **** ****ity **** ****. It's just a word. My useage of it hardly betrayed any lack of intelligence on my part.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with your statement. (http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame50.html)

[YoD]

Originally posted by Satan


Yes, and this board would be much better if everyone* was a bit smarter. But we can't ban people for idiocy, so we'll just have to deal with it.
You know, there are many ESL** users here, and it's considered very lame to pick on their grammatical errors. Their "engrish" (sic) may not be as good as yours, but I'm sure your french or german or [insert a foreign language here] is not as good as theirs.

*you
**English as a Second Language


I'm not trying to seduce him here, but Phuzzi is very smart. And he didn't try to attack him on his bad english. Read before making your comments.

Originally posted by Satan

Well, good luck. Who knows, maybe one day you'll even understand something about what you're talking. You'll surprise me if you do.


HAHAHA. Let me laugh. If you want to find one person on this board who knows something about hardware, it's Phuzzi.

Originally posted by Satan

Oh, I see. It's on the internet, so it must be true. (http://finalwinter.virtualave.net/images/ironyalert.gif) :rolleyes:


Again, I'll have to tell you to try to read better... He said RELIABLE. And there are RELIABLE sources on the Internet. Internet is as good as TV or newspaper for news source.

Originally posted by Satan

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with your statement. (http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame50.html)

How do you disagree with that statement? Again, he is intelligent and the use of the word '****' isn't showing any sign of non-intelligence.




/me awaits a violent reply, so I'll just walk away from this thread.

[Satan]

Originally posted by YoD
I'm not trying to seduce him here, but Phuzzi is very smart. And he didn't try to attack him on his bad english. Read before making your comments.

He made a sarcastic remark about Enigma's english. No matter how hard you try, you can't deny it. It's just plain stupid to point out the errors of a ESL user. I'm dyslexic, would you care to point out my typos? Or do you realize how stupid it is?

Originally posted by YoD
HAHAHA. Let me laugh. If you want to find one person on this board who knows something about hardware, it's Phuzzi.

Yes, I'm sure he has learned everything there is to be learned*. He must know a lot more than me, a mere engineer who's been on this business for a long time. Who knows, maybe he could teach me something. :rolleyes:

*on the internet, of course

Originally posted by YoD
Again, I'll have to tell you to try to read better... He said RELIABLE. And there are RELIABLE sources on the Internet. Internet is as good as TV or newspaper for news source.

Reliable source?! You mean, a reliable source for rumours?! There are no reliable sources when it comes to rumours. It's all speculation. If you want to believe it, then fine. I'm sure you downloaded SVGS.

Originally posted by YoD
How do you disagree with that statement? Again, he is intelligent and the use of the word '****' isn't showing any sign of non-intelligence.

I've never seen an intelligent guy who needed to resort to swearing to prove a point. It's only used when you run out of arguments. Then you try to make a point by insulting the other posters. You know, next time he may be here making comments about the other posters' mothers. I wouldn't be surprised.

Originally posted by YoD
/me awaits a violent reply, so I'll just walk away from this thread.

I must congratulate you for being this board's greatest coward ever. You come to the rescue, and then run back to momma. How pathetic.

[sxamiga]

That's it, that's all, that's everybody. This thread has degenerated into just another war.:mad: Thread closed.
sx/amiga

[Keith]

Poo :D