BETA Discussion Thread - Read 1st post

[refraction]

ok simple rules

1. KEEP IT ON TOPIC, if i see people talking about vista and how it sucks, i wont be going easy on them.
2. No Support, this is only for beta discussion, code submission for the developers, showing off the latest improvements. Nothing more, zip squat.

RULE 2 INCLUDES ASKING WHERE TO GET SVN REVISIONS!

Failure to comply with these 2 simple rules will result in warnings or being banned, so heed them.

go

[Nightmare85]

wow, thanks for re-open this topic.

OK, I experience a nice fps boost with SVN 364.
(Look at the screenshots thread).

However, I have to use Peops Sound, because the sound doesn't seem ok for me if I use zeroSPU2.
(Setting process to low priority doesn't help)

[Xerialq]

Same conclusion, in games like Tekken IV, MK: A - +5 - 10 fps with latest svn (364). Sound works correctly for me with zeroSPU2 (tested with this 2 titles).

[bositman]

We would be interested in games working in SVN rev 363 and being broken in 364.Just to document what kind of compatibility hit that change has.Oh and please test properly,no speed hacks and crap

[bositman]

You can compile it yourself.If you can't,don't bother and wait until a new version is released

[DKAngel]

well persona 3 seems to be a tad faster for me on 364 didnt compile 365 or 363 to try the differences out yet

[Kaizen]

svn 364 was the first to achieve fullspeed in dqviii on the world map for me
(using the same config and pc for the last 100 or so svns)

suikoden V also got a boost from around 40 fps average to 60-65

[cottonvibes]

well persona 3 seems to be a tad faster for me on 364 didnt compile 365 or 363 to try the differences out yet

it was a tad faster for me too.

refraction left a comment about it going from ~50 to ~100+ for him. but i didn't get anywhere near that speed increase in the testing i did.
maybe its a specific part of the game?

i think the speed increase i got was around ~5fps, but i didn't really do any extensive testing.


another thought is that the performance increase depends on the processor? intel vs AMD.
since both you and me have AMD, and ref has an intel; maybe thats affecting the results somehow...

[cmkannan]

i think i can mention these things to bring the devs into notice about what i found playing mk deception?
i did not notice any speed diff. like others mentioned in mortal kombat deception
also the end movies are still having trouble
the folliowing is just for info of devs
1) when scorpion uses spear,hell fire it is not visible.some other fighters also show the same prob.
2)texts in conquest mode and things in puzzle mode are unvisible so diificlut to play

thanks

[Xerialq]

@bositman

Titles tested so far with rev 363 and 364

Tekken IV, Virtua Fighter IV EVO, MK: DA/DC/A, Tekken Tag Tournament.

All of them work well, no stability change. Just speed increase (not in all, MK games almost no change).

@cmkannan - cmon ...HOW HARD IS READING? Its not a thread to post bugs in pcsx2, its a thread to disscuss svn/betas and that MK: D problems youre writing is in pcsx2 since 0.9.4...

[3x3cUt0r]

ref, that must be a new record 9 post later and someone broke rule #2, lol.

[serpent]

sorry for asking this but what is this svn 363 364 stuff?
i am a noob with this stuff so could anyone please tell me?

[optics]

sorry for asking this but what is this svn 363 364 stuff?
i am a noob with this stuff so could anyone please tell me?

Think of it as "revision". Every time the coder changes something in the beta version they update the "revision" number.

So the next revision will be 365, 366, 377 and so on.

[Xerialq]

CMON PEOPLE! READ AND USE SEARCH! Then you WILL know answers to all youre questions!

3X3CUTOR or Ref - please clear this thread out of spam...already...

[serpent]

like my version is 0.9.5 351 but where can i get the 364 version then?

sorry?

[refraction]

ref, that must be a new record 9 post later and someone broke rule #2, lol.

im sure someone has managed first post before ;)

serpent: you broke rule 2 blatantly, warning for you.

[echosierra]

edit: Made obsolete by refraction

On topic edit: 364 gives no speed boost to FFX (the only game I actively play). I promise to be more productive later :(

[bositman]

No matter how many warnings,purple letters,flashing letters,singing letters he adds this will keep happening.
Xerialq we have more important things to do than cleaning out a thread constantly from all the garbage posts...
That's why threads like these will not ever last long unfortunately.

[refraction]

right i get it, get this back on the subject in hand, ignore the current happenings, obviously we got off to a bad start.

im giving this till post 30 to improve, if it doesnt, bye bye beta threads.

[Xerialq]

No matter how many warnings,purple letters,flashing letters,singing letters he adds this will keep happening.
Xerialq we have more important things to do than cleaning out a thread constantly from all the garbage posts...
That's why threads like these will not ever last long unfortunately.

Youre right, just - there are people who really want to have thread like this to disscuss beta/svn and its comming to this - that becuse of few(maybe more) people who cant read/understand etc... we can't - thats sad.

[refraction]

Youre right, just - there are people who really want to have thread like this to disscuss beta/svn and its comming to this - that becuse of few(maybe more) people who cant read/understand etc... we can't - thats sad.


did you read what i just said?!?

9 posts left, sort it out people.

[Xerialq]

Yes i did read and understand what you wrote, but obviously you didnt understand me! (no need to get hmm angry/nervous). Just added my few cents @bositman nothing more. Sorry. No more offtopic.

That said, back on track, more tests (rev 363 vs 364):

Naruto 3 no changes, still crashes in certain situation, no speed gain
Tekken 5 no changes in stability, speed increase (+5 fps)

[NexXxus]

i noticed from those games i stored on my hdd an ~10fps speedboost in FFX-2 Videos, they run almost with fullspeed (~44-48fps) at 2.6ghz :)
nothing got broken.

will test more games including FFXII later.

[Liquid_Snake]

Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid 3, Xenosaga, Kingdom Hearts 2, Contra - no compatibility and perfomance changes.
Tekken 4 +2 FPS
PS: Compared 351 to 365

REV 364
+3% stable increase in all this games. Strange, not as much as i thought

[BMarques]

Well FFXII Pal went from needing core2duo 3.0 ghz to have it playable at 50 fps to 2.4 ghz ( speed hacks enabled on both cases ), so it is a massive improvement. Seems stable as well.

[Federelli]

Naruto Ultimate Ninja is more unstable in menus, it never hang on the menus before 364 (i can at least say it's been working fine since 0.9.4) for example:

Hangs when buying collectors items.
100% emulation speed, yet awkard slowdown when the game does simple number operations, like add up and increase the amount of ryo (money) you get after a fight.

The same old hangs during fights when using specific character abbilities are still there.

Anyone else noting this issues?
Go buy some bonus items to see the first issue, and win a fight for the second one.

Speed wise, there might be a small gain (from 50% speed to 70%) where the game usually slows down, which is right after you win a fight and you see a closeup of your character, depending which character you are playing, the game will slow down a bit (Naruto for example).

[refraction]

364 will show the speed boosts, 365 reverts what changed it due to it killing Tekken 5, Gran Turismo 4 lighting and Mortal Kombat Armageddon

[Hatman]

Ok here's my 2 cents about 364:

Tales of the Abyss - No noticable new errors, great speed increase.
Breath Of Fire Dragon Quarter - No noticable new errors, still slow as hell
Devil May Cry 1 - A tad faster, otherwise the same
Dragon Quest - Introduction and Movies run full speed now, haven't tested much beyond
Final Fantasy XII - Notable speed increase, nothing broke afaik
Gradius - Way too fast - Pew Pew!
Grandia 3 - Ingame Cutscene show big speed increase. Some places still feel a bit choppy even tho FPS is almost full (sync issue?)
Kingdom Hearts - Full Speed Ahead, my german PAL version still has an movie issue though, The top/bottom bars in movie playback aren't actually black.
Persona 3 - Runs alot better. FPS in "slow" scenes (Assemblies, etc) has more than doubled. Game runs at max speed, including fights.
Shadow Of The Colossus - With a machine a bit more powerfull than mine it should be possible to reach constant 60FPS now. Very nice going.
Xenosaga I - Game gets overall speed increase. Runs better than on my PS2 now. Just some minor GFX gliches left to fix.
Xenosaga II - Faster, but still the least compatible of the 3.
Xenosaga III - Like Persona this game had very "slow" scenes for no appearent reason. These seem to be fixed now. (BTW Ref the battle summary is still fumbled *g* )

Further games i tried are FFX, Resident Evil 4, Rouge Galaxy, Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec and Zone of the Enders. ZoE crashed on gamestart, but i cant tell if it's because of the denormals fix. Haven't tried it much in recent SVNs. All other games behaved pretty much exactly like before. Only faster.

[refraction]

well if the list of broken is lower than the fixed, i might put an option in to disable it, but have it on by default.

[NexXxus]

yea you can add this option in the speedhack dialog, with a notice that it brokes some games.
so no big deal

[GeominorAI]

Suppose I should start making a chart of these speed hack options (Compatible/Incompatible) then for quick reference so that there would be less of a fluctuation of newbies claiming game X is broken while unwittingly enabling such speed hacks. Or would that lean too far into the unsupported beta field?

[rama2]

Well, i tried all my games on svn364. They all run faster but have the same bugs/glitches.
Did someone test metal gear solid 3 on it yet? Or any other game with problematic collision detection?
It'd be very important to know if/how those changed, and if svn365 made it better or worse ;)

[refraction]

Ive tried MGS3, no dice on that one im afraid :(

[Federelli]

Shadow of the Colossus goes a bit faster on my system as well.

[buugtdbgt]

edit: false alarm!!!!!!! i didnt compile the new beta version sorry !!!!!

[cottonvibes]

interesting,

Sonic Heroes is now playable.

before it was Menus status, but i just tried it and now i can get in-game and play the game.

it wasn't the denormals that fixed it, but rather the IPU fix i think.
i tried it with an earlier SVN 354, and it works with that version as well.


maybe the beta-testers should test that game out and update the compatability list when they get the chance.

btw its weird though that i have the US version, and the text in-game is japanese.
when i play on my PS2 its in english...

guess PCSX2 identifies itself as a japanese console to the game?

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edit:

i'm pretty sure the game is fully playable now.

was playing around with it, and the high-definition graphics make it look alot better than on the PS2.
see screenshot.

and the japanese language can be changed in the options menu (was a bit hard to find it since i don't know japanese :p)

[NexXxus]

btw its weird though that i have the US version, and the text in-game is japanese.
when i play on my PS2 its in english...

guess PCSX2 identifies itself as a japanese console to the game?

i also noticed that phenomen in the Pal version of JAK3, its also in japanese, even the voice.
and JAK1 doesn't have any text, not even in the menu, i only get yellow boxes.

maybe because of missing japanese fonts? :lol:
i hope the text can be fixed when the game runs in the correct language

[cottonvibes]

its most-likely the way PCSX2 is identifying itself to the game.

saying its a japanese console.

but thats weird as i don't have a japanese bios :p

so i wonder why its thinking i have a jap ps2 :O

[Federelli]

Katamari Damacy remains the same, spikey poligons, bad automatic fps detection, and some slight collition detection problems.
No percievable speed increases.

[Quake3k]

MX vs ATV Untamed run 2-5 fps faster in 364 but breake more graphic than in 365.
Bully seems like run little faster in 364 than 365 nothing broken there! but the problem is that the fps counter say 60+fps but on my system it seems like it run in like 18fps in 365 and 20fps in 364

[Federelli]

Naruto Ultimate Ninja 2, graphics have gone missing (textures/models).

[gamersat678]

Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3

main menu
svn362 11 fps vs svn364 30 fps (3x faster)
Ingame
svn362 15-20fps vs svn364 30-35 fps (2x faster)

Need for Speed Hot Pursuit 2
No speed change

[RPGW1ZaRD]

Persona 3 performance comparision between svn 363 and 364. I think Persona 3 is about as fast running as FFX now, getting like just above 100 fps minimum on this rig. xD

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[bositman]

Naruto Ultimate Ninja 2, graphics have gone missing (textures/models).

Please state what you are comparing,otherwise this is useless...

[toyopsp]

362 vs 364

Narut0 Ultimate Ninja 3 and Narutumate Accel 2 both had messed up graphics in 364 during menus and ingame, in 362 still playable but limited, it looks great with high res textures though:)

Persona 3 and FES ran much better and faster in 364 from 47fps to 60fps+ ingame, no crashes, trying to beat the game now since all fmvs are watchable and the game itself is playable, good job.

edit: OMG, Tekken 4 ran @ 52-60fps ingame! also Onimusha Dawn of Dreams ran 60fps all the time! both with 364, still testing some more

[skoreanime]

Persona 3 and FES ran much better and faster in 364 from 47fps to 60fps+ ingame, no crashes, trying to beat the game now since all fmvs are watchable and the game itself is playable, good job.

So the battles are all ok now? The bug with it crashing when attacking certain enemies is fixed?

[legatosama]

So the battles are all ok now? The bug with it crashing when attacking certain enemies is fixed?

nope, it happens...

[Federelli]

Please state what you are comparing,otherwise this is useless...

364 vs older versions, what else?

[bositman]

Vs older versions doesn't help either? We don't know were it got fixed so the info is partially useful.As i posted we'd like to know what was broken in 364 vs 363 (or vs 365 it's the same like 363) but in general do say what got fixed/broken in which build

[Federelli]

Yup bosit, older vesions are fine, just broke on 364. i can get some screens if i'm allowed to post them here.

[refraction]

well, is it fixed on 365?

[Pontifice]

Differences between 364 and 365 in:

Naruto 3 364: Missing textures in background 365: OK
Resdent Evil outbreak 2: 364 and 365 works the same way no differences
(Rogue Galaxy: 364: Missing textures in some polygons 365: OK) -----> i am not sure about this now trying it again

In these games almost no difference in speed maybe some faster 364 in rogue galaxy


Maybe you could add some code to tweak MSXCSR and VUMXCSR through npatches? making it game dependant.

P.D. changing MXCSR also to 0xffc0 makes some games work better, like Rogue galaxy where you gain the ability to walk ;)

[refraction]

which MXCSR? vu one or normal? though to be honest i think both of them should be set like that, but for some unknown reason it doesnt like it.

[Pontifice]

normal one, the one stored in g_sseMXCSR

[refraction]

yeh, the normal rounding method for the EE is "towards zero", the VU's i duno if its a negative round or towards zero. the official method is "chop" where it just removes the last few digits which cant be represented in a float.

so that would be right. but setting that for the EE makes the Grandia 3 menu fade out instantly, stuff in Guitaroo Man flickers in and out, n lord knows what :/

I hate floating points.

[Federelli]

well, is it fixed on 365?

Yes, back as it was before 364.

[buugtdbgt]

interesting,

Sonic Heroes is now playable.

before it was Menus status, but i just tried it and now i can get in-game and play the game.

it wasn't the denormals that fixed it, but rather the IPU fix i think.
i tried it with an earlier SVN 354, and it works with that version as well.


maybe the beta-testers should test that game out and update the compatability list when they get the chance.

btw its weird though that i have the US version, and the text in-game is japanese.
when i play on my PS2 its in english...

guess PCSX2 identifies itself as a japanese console to the game?

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edit:

i'm pretty sure the game is fully playable now.

was playing around with it, and the high-definition graphics make it look alot better than on the PS2.
see screenshot.

and the japanese language can be changed in the options menu (was a bit hard to find it since i don't know japanese :p)


i just tryed mine and i get stuck at menus

[kretenoid]

364 vs 365 -Game: MK: A -
Speed in 364 is between 87-100%(mainly 99-100) in 365 is as usual - 70-87 %
but this game is unplayable in 364 - when the match begins the only visible things are the power bars - e.g no chars , no stage , didn't try other games for the moment. Too bad cos the thing that was added in 364 is, according to the changelog is actually normal for the real PS2

[bositman]

Ok so let's start a list with fixed/broken games with the denormals fix (pre 363 off,364 on,365+ off):

Fixed:
-

Broken:
Bionicle
Naruto Ultimate Ninja 2
Naruto Ultimate Ninja 3
Naruto Narutimate Hero 2
MX vs ATV Untamed
Mortal Kombat Armageddon
Tekken 5
Gran Turismo 4

[cottonvibes]

Persona 3 performance comparision between svn 363 and 364. I think Persona 3 is about as fast running as FFX now, getting like just above 100 fps minimum on this rig. xD


the main speed problems with persona are in full-party battles.

did you try any battles?

with a full party of 4, and fighting 3-5 big enemies, the game would run pretty slow for me.

have you tried any battles to see what speed you get?

Ok so let's start a list with fixed/broken games with the denormals fix (pre 363 off,364 on,365+ off):

Fixed:
Sonic Heroes (? need second confirmation)


i stated in my post that it wasn't the denormals that fixed it.

i believe it was the IPU fix, or maybe something else thats been changed recently...


i just tryed mine and i get stuck at menus

thats because you're using speed hacks.

speed hacks freezes at the menus.

if you disable them, and get in-game, you can save-state and load-state to get speed hacks working in-game.

[gamersat678]

I just had a random occurance. svn364 decided to play Tony Hawk's Underground. Can't get it to do it again though. Hmmmm.

Got it to do it again. I think I have figured it out. Load a game, it can even be Tony Hawk's Underground with GSDX 1.7. Close PCSX2. DON'T LET IT CRASH!. Load PCSX2 back up. Change the graphic plugin to GSDX 1.8 (or the beta svn). You get into the menu

[RPGW1ZaRD]

the main speed problems with persona are in full-party battles.

did you try any battles?

with a full party of 4, and fighting 3-5 big enemies, the game would run pretty slow for me.

have you tried any battles to see what speed you get?


Well not with this build yet but battles would run slightly slower than classroom fps (when crowded) so I'd guess around 105 FPS from being ~40 FPS before.

[gamersat678]

Bionicle collision detection broke in svn364 works in svn365.

[buugtdbgt]

im not useing speed hacks

[cottonvibes]

im not useing speed hacks

in earlier svns, it would get stuck there if i used speed hacks.

what svn version are you using?



after that spot, it tries reading from the memory card.

so maybe it has something to do with a corrupt memory card file.

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edit:

okay this is really weird.

sonic heros works on PCSX2 9.4 for me as well.
and on the compatibility list, it says Menus for 9.4.
and i remember trying it with 9.4, and it didn't work past menus.


i guess somehow my memorycard became formated in a way that allows the game to play?

thats the only explanation i can think of.

cuz i believe it used to freeze when its looked at the memorycard.
but for me it works now... so my memory card must have something that a normal one dosn't :O

[Kaizen]

in earlier svns, it would get stuck there if i used speed hacks.

what svn version are you using?



after that spot, it tries reading from the memory card.

so maybe it has something to do with a corrupt memory card file.

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edit:

okay this is really weird.

sonic heros works on PCSX2 9.4 for me as well.
and on the compatibility list, it says Menus for 9.4.
and i remember trying it with 9.4, and it didn't work past menus.


i guess somehow my memorycard became formated in a way that allows the game to play?

thats the only explanation i can think of.

cuz i believe it used to freeze when its looked at the memorycard.
but for me it works now... so my memory card must have something that a normal one dosn't :O

funny you should mention memory card changes in 364,
I booted to the bios in 364 to copy some saves and now the memory card appears empty

but in various games like ffxii and disgaea I get errors that the memory card is not readable

[buugtdbgt]

post up your memory card? LOL
and useing diffrent versions like the last 5 svn

[R4Zi3L]

362 vs 365 - Killer7 on 362 is like 50-60 on 365 is like 30 but on window bar is 60 (?) and there are few graphical bugs...

[hockland]

funny you should mention memory card changes in 364,
I booted to the bios in 364 to copy some saves and now the memory card appears empty

but in various games like ffxii and disgaea I get errors that the memory card is not readable

Sounds like a corrupt memory card.

God if my memorycard saves of Disgaea got corrupted or lost I`d just about kill myself. I must have spent several weeks worth of play on that game by this point through pcsx2. Excellent excellent game.

[DDRRE]

Err......

SVN 364 was indeed faster, but:

AND THAT'S A BIG BUT!
There actually were stability changes. Most of you probably launched the game, saw the fps, played for a minute or two and moved on.

364 crashes after a while. Defined: the graphics and the game freezes (no control), but the sound keeps rolling (music).
Happened on Tekken 5 and Tekken 4 after random playing times. All more than 5 minutes.

[refraction]

Err......

SVN 364 was indeed faster, but:

AND THAT'S A BIG BUT!
There actually were stability changes. Most of you probably launched the game, saw the fps, played for a minute or two and moved on.

364 crashes after a while. Defined: the graphics and the game freezes (no control), but the sound keeps rolling (music).
Happened on Tekken 5 and Tekken 4 after random playing times. All more than 5 minutes.

tekken 5 after more than 5 minutes? i think you arent trying the same beta and you have speed hacks on, either that or you are using savestates which do kill things.

Tekken 5 doesnt show anything past the loading minigame, so its hardly random.

Also Rama has played Persona 3 for a good few hours with it n said its great.

[rama2]

I've been playing persona3 for 3 hours continously. No freezes, controls work, just the usual
issues with battles and graphics.
So the change 364 had doesnt generally break games. Also the Tekken games are buggy to begin with :p

Edit: lol, ref beat me to it ^^

[cottonvibes]

most-likely DDRRE is referring to the battle-hang that happens in persona 3.

sometimes when you attack an enemy, the game just hangs there and the music continues to play.
theres no way to regain control after that point, and you have to restart PCSX2.


thats been a long-known problem, and I checked and it still happens in svn364.

post up your memory card? LOL
and useing diffrent versions like the last 5 svn

later today i'll do some experimenting to see if its really my memory card thats able to get the game to work.

if it is, then i'll upload it somewhere and post it for you guys so you can get Sonic Heros to work.

[refraction]

that hang is dependant on your spu2 plugin i think. zerospu2 0.4.5 should be ok. also the latest svn should be for zerospu2

[cottonvibes]

that hang is dependant on your spu2 plugin i think. zerospu2 0.4.5 should be ok. also the latest svn should be for zerospu2

nah, i tested Persona 3 two days ago using the latest zerospu2 and svn364, and the first enemy i attacked hung the game :dead:

i don't think its the sound plugin's fault because music in the background continues to play.

[serpent]

the newest version of the svn(365?) is pretty good in my opinion...
i tried FF 10 and i run all the time like
in game 60 fps(limited)
cut scenes 60fps
menus 60 fps
battles 60 fps
but do you guys have the sama prob..that if you go for exemple in into the house ,then there is a black screen and i takes about 5-15 sec
to open the next picture(inside the house)it´s the same allways when it switches picture..
damn this is hard to explain and i very bad at english :D
but all the other games i haved played with the svn365 works pretty good..
almost perfect.. :D i hope the 0.9.5 release will be perfect version :)

[bositman]

As said before 365 reverts the change in 364 so it's actually the exact same thing like svn 363...

[Krakatos]

Ahh well, here are the results of some testing I made. These are the results with svn 364. 42 games tested, 21 improved, 0 broken

Game Increase

Ar tonelico 0,00%
Atelier Iris 0,00%
Atelier iris 2 0,00%
Culdcept 0,00%
Disgaea 0,00%
Disgeae 2 0,00%
FFX 16,00%
FFX-2 21,67%
FFXII 10,34%
Grandia Xtreme 20,00%
Grim Grimoire 0,00%
La Pucelle Tactics 0,00%
Makai Kingdom 0,00%
Phantom Brave 0,00%
ROTK XI 0,00%
Shining Tears 5,41%
Stella Deus 8,70%
Ys the ark of napishtim 8,70%
Breath of fire DQ 59,26%
Dark Cloud 0,00%
Drakengard 2 19,57%
Front Mission 4 0,00%
Hokuto no Ken 0,00%
Inuyasha Feudal Combat 21,82%
Odin Sphere 0,00%
Wild Arms 4 5,56%
Wild Arms 5 5,56%
Atelier Iris 3 0,00%
Drakengard 10,26%
Ring of red 5,38%
Rogue Galaxy 17,14%
ROTK VIII 0,00%
ROTK IX 0,00%
ROTK XI 0,00%
Shijou Saikyou no Deshi Kenichi 64,71%
Shining Force Exa 32,84%
Shining Force Neo 46,00%
Sol Nomad 0,00%
Tales of the Abyss 21,43%
Wild Arms 3 64,00%
Wizardry TotFS 0,00%
Zone of Enders 2 20,00%
Shin Megami tensei Persona 3 106,45%

errr I know they're not in alphabetical order....

[Elwood89]

Bully:
364: hangs right after the first engine - rendered scene at the gate (not the pre-rendered car intro), but the scene itself seems faster than in 365.
365: goes past this point and is playable, but the frame couter is somehow wrong: shows 40-50 fps, but it looks like half of that in reality.
Q9450@3,3 Ghz, 8800gts, winxp64, GDSX 0.1.8 SSSE3

[cottonvibes]

but the frame couter is somehow wrong: shows 40-50 fps, but it looks like half of that in reality.


don't use speed hacks.

they sometimes give you bogus FPS.

[RPGW1ZaRD]

don't use speed hacks.

they sometimes give you bogus FPS.

Well Bully FPS is bogus even if speedhacks is disabled... it says I'm getting 60+ FPS (speedhacks disabled) outside, yet it feels like 30 FPS. Indoors the speed seems fine tho.

[cottonvibes]

later today i'll do some experimenting to see if its really my memory card thats able to get the game to work.

if it is, then i'll upload it somewhere and post it for you guys so you can get Sonic Heros to work.

okay i did some testing,

and i don't think its my memory card thats enabling the game to play, since i switched to very old memory cards and it still worked.
even on 9.4!!


i have no idea how i got Sonic Hereos working, even when i switch to old graphic and sound plugins, and switch to PCSX2 9.4, it still works! :/

i remember i tried it a month ago and it didn't used to work. so i'm totally stumped as to why its working for me...

[kaLan]

a silly question, i know, but where are the new betas from?
cant find them in the public beta section.
´thanks and sorry for the question

[refraction]

a silly question, i know, but where are the new betas from?
cant find them in the public beta section.
´thanks and sorry for the question

you have to compile them yourself or tough

[kaLan]

?
it was just a question, are the betas only for betas testers discussed in this thread?

[cottonvibes]

you have to compile them yourself or tough

ref, you might wanna add that to the OP since it seems people keep asking the same question.

[refraction]

most of these people are just users, not beta testers. just they know how to compile it ;)

[rama2]

Just wanted to inform you guys that a fixed zerospu2.dll has been uploaded to pcsx2.net.
I advise every savestate user to get that version, as the old one had a serious bug that
screwed up the cycle calculation after loading a savestate.

[buugtdbgt]

upload a save state :)

[refraction]

Just wanted to inform you guys that a fixed zerospu2.dll has been uploaded to pcsx2.net.
I advise every savestate user to get that version, as the old one had a serious bug that
screwed up the cycle calculation after loading a savestate.

actually the problem was when saving :p

[rama2]

Yeah, well, thats when the bug was getting prepared. It just triggered after loading that faulty save :p

[tucows]

want to report that persona 3 fes ntcs has some random crashes in the last months but they actually are not present in the same place, for example when you are talking to a person if you have been playing a long time before talking with a person there are possibilities that the game will crash but if you save or make a save state and restar the game and talk to the person or watch the scene that has crashed the emulator it run normal and you can finish the game without problems.

[Federelli]

Yeah,Tyvm for the 366 zerospu2 fix, i was gonna make a post about it, but seeing as my last post about a zerospu2 bug was closed, i felt i better didn't. Good to know someone noticed it as well :). Sound now hangs again sometimes tho.

[rama2]

Wtf, i thought we got rid of the strang sound hang ><
Now i dunno whats causing that anymore, need to check the source once more.

[DDRRE]

tekken 5 after more than 5 minutes? i think you arent trying the same beta and you have speed hacks on, either that or you are using savestates which do kill things.

Tekken 5 doesnt show anything past the loading minigame, so its hardly random.

Also Rama has played Persona 3 for a good few hours with it n said its great.
Wrong. SVN 364: I play team battle 8vs8, and vs mode battles. Sometimes I played non-stop for 30 minutes until I preferred moving to Tekken 4 due to the higher fps rate. I have also been able to launch and play the devil within minigame, but the fps rate was so low I quit the game. And I also use only one speedhack: EE/IOP sync.

Also, to get past the loading minigame, make sure you run the game via run-execute, and are using native resolution.

[Johnnsen]

Ok, Mortal Kombat Armageddon has a huge speedup in Videos in the beta. Overall the game runs better, with 70 FPS in Menu and 30 Ingame with this system:
Amd x2 6000+
8800 GTS 512 MB
and 2GB RAM

[deamonhunter]

- Sonic heroes didnt get ingame for me to (364) stuck on mem card checking or so (Japanese )
- tekken 4 now have the character floating during reply or even during some while standing moves (the foot just hangs in the lateral plane for a second then back to normal ) not effecting gameplay though but I thought it was worth reporting
- persona 3 now @ 60 FPS all the time even during cutscenes

[DDRRE]

- Sonic heroes didnt get ingame for me to (364) stuck on mem card checking or so (Japanese )
- tekken 4 now have the character floating during reply or even during some while standing moves (the foot just hangs in the lateral plane for a second then back to normal ) not effecting gameplay though but I thought it was worth reporting
- persona 3 now @ 60 FPS all the time even during cutscenes
"- tekken 4 now have the character floating during reply or even during some while standing moves (the foot just hangs in the lateral plane for a second then back to normal ) not effecting gameplay though but I thought it was worth reporting"

Uncheck "Disable Forced ABS" hack. That fixes it.


As for current developments with Tekken 5: after updating to the latest plugins and SVN's, here is the data: (1MB file with 4 screenshots with explanations)
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2562/tekken5overviewld4.th.png (http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2562/tekken5overviewld4.png)

[Wundai]

okay i did some testing,

and i don't think its my memory card thats enabling the game to play, since i switched to very old memory cards and it still worked.
even on 9.4!!


i have no idea how i got Sonic Hereos working, even when i switch to old graphic and sound plugins, and switch to PCSX2 9.4, it still works! :/

i remember i tried it a month ago and it didn't used to work. so i'm totally stumped as to why its working for me...

Maybe during this month you also downloaded a new ref from Gdsx which made it work?

[xcedf]

Have allmost double speed improve in MK Deadly Alliance (PAL version) in 364))than 365
Deception & Armagedon: Graphic broken T_T
1st screen-365
2nd screen-364

[hockland]

I wonder why some games are broken or affected badly by this and others are hugely improved speed wise. If the denormals closer to zero thingo is something that the ps2 actually does itself in its own coding, it makes no sense to me. Though I know next to nothing about this stuff.

Would you mind explaining this one refraction? I`m facinated by this stuff being a programmer myself. Though I`m only learning programming now. Other than self teachings in Dark basic.

[cottonvibes]

upload a save state :)

heres a save state that gets past the part Sonic Heroes freezes at.
MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3DUHVYFY)

use the latest zeroSPU2 and GSdx cuz thats what i used when saving it.

Maybe during this month you also downloaded a new ref from Gdsx which made it work?

thats not it, cuz i even tried using old plugins and it still works.

[Krakatos]

Denormals are those numbers close to 0 that cannot be represented with a float because they are too small. If you put "denormals are zero", everytime a function obtains a denormal it just puts it as a 0.

The speed boost, as refraction himself said, is because there are probably a lot of functions that in some games keep orbiting around 0 because the result is a denormal and not exactly 0. So, by putting the "denormals are zero" condition, those functions think it's a 0 and exit. Thus the speed increase...

As for why some games are broken.. uh.. who knows XD Ref said it's probably something broken elsewhere, that influences compatibility once you put "denormals are zero".

[cottonvibes]

Would you mind explaining this one refraction? I`m facinated by this stuff being a programmer myself. Though I`m only learning programming now. Other than self teachings in Dark basic.


my guess is that PCSX2 doesn't handle floating point values exactly like the PS2 yet.

so if a program multiplies/divides/adds..etc with them, then you get different results.
and sometimes its soo different that it breaks a game completely.


say a program is suppost to run an animation sequence until float X = 0.
With PCSX2, x might never = 0, but it might get close like 0.000000012.
thats still not completely 0, so having PCSX2 except only 0 would break the program.
but having it round 0.000000012 to 0 would allow the program to work.

and i guess the speed benefit when the rounding is disabled comes because PCSX2 dosn't have to perform the rounding algorithm.


thats just my guess on it...

[hockland]

Ah that makes perfect sense. You`d get infinite loops in some cases which would break some games. Since some conditions are never occuring. Cool yes that makes definate sense in my head now. Thankyou :).

[buugtdbgt]

in person 3 why are the faces messed up. and also right after this part i get a crash.

[bositman]

in person 3 why are the faces messed up. and also right after this part i get a crash.

ok simple rules

1. KEEP IT ON TOPIC, if i see people talking about vista and how it sucks, i wont be going easy on them.
2. No Support, this is only for beta discussion, code submission for the developers, showing off the latest improvements. Nothing more, zip squat.


Warning issued. This is your second one,one more and you're outta here

[buugtdbgt]

acully i think this may be off topic what i say so im going to not say it. so disregard it plese. thanks!

[refraction]

acully i think this may be off topic what i say so im going to not say it. so disregard it plese. thanks!

that post was stupidly pointless, unless you want another warning, dont make idiotic pointless posts.

anyway. SVN compiler squatters, just comitted a fix some of you might like.

[Federelli]

omg, excellent, while the thing is downloading/compiling, if there's any particular game u may think has been affected, please let know so we can give it a test and take some work of your hands :).

[bositman]

Games having SPS (spikey polygon syndrome) or in general garbage gfx.Onimusha Dawn of Dreams minor SPS is fixed too,add it to the list ;)

[gamersat678]

No more spiky polygon problems?? Yes! Going to test it out.

Edit 1:
Some Testing
Didn't fix Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 SPS.
Didn't fix Hot Wheels Velocity X Maximum Justice SPS. (I swore this one would work now)

[cottonvibes]

hmm, i'll test some games out to see if this fixes any of the garbage graphics problems.

[gamersat678]

By the way. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3's text is gone. Speed hacks off(the text appears). With speed hacks turned on before the svn368 version, PCSX2 used to display the text.

[cottonvibes]

didn't fix any garbage in...
-Persona 3
-Devil May Cry 3
-Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath of Cortex (But the garbage here might be a GSdx problem i think..)



someone should try the Barheim passage in FFXII to see if it fixed the problems when the lights are off.

[refraction]

well, heres my fix list ive compiled from Bosit, praful and myself

Sega Tennis - SPS
Dark Cloud 2 - SPS
Crazy Taxi - SPS
Metal Gear Solid 3 - Falling Through Floor/Stuck In Trees
Tekken Tag - Stretchy Crowd

[Liquid_Snake]

So u kinda say MGS3 kinda playable?! Going to test it ASAP.
YAAAAY!!!! Congrats, ref! I would've even say you soon if MGS3 could be finished on this build, but 7-25 FPS are almost unplayable :( Speedhacks make the game freeze from time to time and dont enchance perfomance much. But i will try to find faster config to play.
PS. Is there any icons of you for sale, ref?

[refraction]

So u kinda say MGS3 kinda playable?! Going to test it ASAP. Will edit this post soon

kinda is a strong word, but yes its an improvement ;p

[Federelli]

Katamari Damacy in 368 still has SPS, but some of the spikes flicker a lot now, they didn't do that before. (very easy to see in Make a Star 4)

Hey, a new GSDX also, nice :)

[tucows]

well the sps of zombie hunters 2 has gone but still the characters are not visibles i think maybe is a problem related to both of the gs plugins or who knows and the game crashes, but great work.

[cyress8]

The SPS in 368 for Dark Cloud 2 isnt completly gone, it will pop up as soon as you start the first chapter in the sewers. However, I just began in the area and it clears up easily by rotating the camera. I did have a non-SPS time up till then though =) Will update once I complete the area

Update: The SPS is only in the first area of the sewers of Dark Cloud.

[toyopsp]

Dark Cloud 2 SPS fixed?! Great! Gonna try it now, gotta compile first... :)

edit: Street Fighter EX 3 SPS FIXED!

[Federelli]

MGS3, stable enough to play some more, excellent :D.

[Deadl0ck]

Denormals disabled in svn368?? I got addicted to the speed bump in 364 :p

[Krakatos]

Denormals disabled in svn368?? I got addicted to the speed bump in 364 :p

yes, it's disabled, cause it's quite unstable

[cottonvibes]

Denormals disabled in svn368?? I got addicted to the speed bump in 364 :p

ref said he might add it as a speedhack in the future.

but all you have to do is edit 1 line of code if you want to enable it yourself.

[toyopsp]

if you got addicted then revert iR5900-32.c from 364 source to the latest 368 then the denormals will be activated again. This will do till the supposedly "speed hack" for denormals is implemented or added someday :) loving the new svn, testing a LOT of games with denormals enabled and disabled with two different 368 builds and also i would like to mention that I'm using gsdx svn 758 though im not relly sure what changed/improved

[Deadl0ck]

I see thx

Anyways games that works great in 364 with no problems for me and with great speed:

Shadow Hearts 3
Tales of the abyss (with the known menu bug)
Persona 3
Front Mission 4
Odin
Suikoden III and V
FF X and XII

As far I can tell all the games I own run great with 364 no crashes, some even with speed hacks on.

great work with the coding so far. :thumb:

[Krakatos]

I see thx
Suikoden III and V


Suikoden V isn't fully playable... it will become unplayable once you reach the war battles

[hockland]

Holy crap the super polygon issue is finally getting addressed yay :D. Ok I`m going to go test the games I`ve seen it happen alot in (God of War and Ghost Hunter).

Ok results of testing on svn 368:

Ghost Hunter - Massive sps issues still. I can provide screenshots if needed. Sps issues from the title menu onwards.
God of War - Very slight sps improvement at the title menu. Other than that, the whole game is one big sps fireworks display.

[refraction]

Holy crap the super polygon issue is finally getting addressed yay :D. Ok I`m going to go test the games I`ve seen it happen alot in (God of War and Ghost Hunter).

Ok results of testing on svn 368:

Ghost Hunter - Massive sps issues still. I can provide screenshots if needed. Sps issues from the title menu onwards.
God of War - Very slight sps improvement at the title menu. Other than that, the whole game is one big sps fireworks display.

i did actually get GoW looking much better, but it was cos i completely screwed it up xD

still looking in to whats causing that.

[hockland]

Maybe its like the denormals are zero thing, and a few graphics parts of code are never completing (infinite loops). Thus causing the gfx to go bonkers.

[Prafull]

Ref: is it just me or metal gear solid 3 crashes for you too when you head towards north in swamp land? It crashes here with DMA error.

[refraction]

Maybe its like the denormals are zero thing, and a few graphics parts of code are never completing (infinite loops). Thus causing the gfx to go bonkers.

nah im convinced its an incorrect setting of a status register, similar to the ones i just fixed.

Ref: is it just me or metal gear solid 3 crashes for you too when you head towards north in swamp land? It crashes here with DMA error.

no idea, not played it that far :p

[xcedf]

is it just me or metal gear solid 3 crashes for you too when you head towards north in swamp land
Yea i admit it)) it crushes for me too in the end of swamp land location:(

[cyclonmaster]

ref said he might add it as a speedhack in the future.

but all you have to do is edit 1 line of code if you want to enable it yourself.

excuse me, what line exactly.

p/s: ignore me if you want ;)

[dantes]

hi, about games (intro) or (nothing)is very stanger because the program doesn´t reads more lines in new svn versions, this problem is caused for PEOPS? iso virtual reader of pcsx2 ?or counters? other question is the ps2 bios completely right?...otherwise directx sdk and all directx interfaces, doesn´t gives amazing graphics, only works right with games with simples architectures and structs, like final fantasy(strategy game, static game without interactions, is like pure iup game)when the game has hard strucs very hights in pcsx2 looks bad like medal of honor, or god of war: this game has hights advanced graphics and great structs shadders because the bosses are very longer and flexibles and softs shadders in every time, all is action 3d interaction with muchs film effects and 1080ª cameras and 3person looks too, i thinked that microsoft is very closed about to cover hight graphics with directx sdk or nvidia, seem me that microsoft doesn´t wants loose microsft games fans or something like that, because console games are best than microsof games.

[DKAngel]

the answer to your question is 42 (soz prolly deserves a warning)

[refraction]

the answer to your question is 42 (soz prolly deserves a warning)


actually i was thinking something very along them lines lol

DKAngel is right, the problem could be absolutely anything.

[Pontifice]

With SVN 368 Zone of the enders 2 looks better, some effects now work right, anyway there is major slowdown in the first boss scene and is "impossible" to go on.

P.D. i made a patch to change MXCSR's the same way that the rounded method through npatches.

[cottonvibes]

excuse me, what line exactly.

p/s: ignore me if you want ;)

you could have just looked at the changed text on the SVN page.
SourceForge.net Repository - [pcsx2] Diff of /pcsx2/x86/ix86-32/iR5900-32.c (http://pcsx2.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pcsx2/pcsx2/x86/ix86-32/iR5900-32.c?r1=364&r2=363&pathrev=364)

and my mistake, its 2 lines of code :p

[refraction]

you could have just looked at the changed text on the SVN page.
SourceForge.net Repository - [pcsx2] Diff of /pcsx2/x86/ix86-32/iR5900-32.c (http://pcsx2.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pcsx2/pcsx2/x86/ix86-32/iR5900-32.c?r1=364&r2=363&pathrev=364)

and my mistake, its 2 lines of code :p
second line is the one that gives the speed boost

[DDRRE]

I'm guessing no one noticed my post about Tekken 5 and what amazing performance compared to older versions has been achieved:
Current developments with Tekken 5: after updating to the latest plugins and SVN's, here is the data: (1MB file with 4 screenshots with explanations)
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2562/tekken5overviewld4.th.png (http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2562/tekken5overviewld4.png)
VU skip is finally playable(!), and does not consist of just raising the FPS but making the game stutter like hell.

Seems that if the developers crew would concentrate a bit on this game as much as they did with FFX and DMC, we could get some serious performance gains. Until now the game has only benefited from general improvement in the emulator's efficiency, but if some optimizations would be directed specifically to Tekken 5, we could see 60/60 in no time.

[cottonvibes]

second line is the one that gives the speed boost

okay, my mistake again :lol:
its 1 line of code you have to change :dead:

Seems that if the developers crew would concentrate a bit on this game as much as they did with FFX and DMC, we could get some serious performance gains. Until now the game has only benefited from general improvement in the emulator's efficiency, but if some optimizations would be directed specifically to Tekken 5, we could see 60/60 in no time.

DDRRE, don't make requests.

and judging on your pics you don't even have GSdx set up correctly, if you use 1270x1270 internal resolution you don't get the black lines.
well actually that might be just for tekken 4...

[3x3cUt0r]

Seems that if the developers crew would concentrate a bit on this game as much as they did with FFX and DMC, we could get some serious performance gains. Until now the game has only benefited from general improvement in the emulator's efficiency, but if some optimizations would be directed specifically to Tekken 5, we could see 60/60 in no time.

Do not make request on this thread (or any other)...

[refraction]

a little treat of things to come

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/5387/gow2yl5.jpg

[DDRRE]

okay, my mistake again :lol:
its 1 line of code you have to change :dead:



DDRRE, don't make requests.

and judging on your pics you don't even have GSdx set up correctly, if you use 1270x1270 internal resolution you don't get the black lines.
well actually that might be just for tekken 4...
As for requesting, I'm sorry.

Anyway, 1270x1270 does remove the vertical stripes, but Tekken 5 won't run on anything else than the native resolution (unless you're using a new memory card).

[3x3cUt0r]

Good job ref. :)

[cottonvibes]

a little treat of things to come


awsome ref :bow:


so you finally gave in to the requests and are looking into god of war :p :lol:


hopefully whatever fixes you can make with that game, will fix other games as well.

[hockland]

Awesome work ref. I look forward to seeing the new version in action when its up :D.

How is GoW looking in the actual level on your side? Much improved?. Guess I`ll get to see for myself soon either way.

To be able to play GoW without any sps would be absolutely awesome.

[dreampeppers99]

GOW working will be nice!

[Binary]

interesting,

Sonic Heroes is now playable.

before it was Menus status, but i just tried it and now i can get in-game and play the game.

it wasn't the denormals that fixed it, but rather the IPU fix i think.
i tried it with an earlier SVN 354, and it works with that version as well.


maybe the beta-testers should test that game out and update the compatability list when they get the chance.

btw its weird though that i have the US version, and the text in-game is japanese.
when i play on my PS2 its in english...

guess PCSX2 identifies itself as a japanese console to the game?

--------

edit:

i'm pretty sure the game is fully playable now.

was playing around with it, and the high-definition graphics make it look alot better than on the PS2.
see screenshot.

and the japanese language can be changed in the options menu (was a bit hard to find it since i don't know japanese :p)


Tested and it does this to me too. :| strange.

[refraction]

gets better, the first attempt broke, lots! ;p

This is the real macoy

[pcsx2fanboy]

cool refraction, a lot of members would like to play god of war on their pc's.
Keep up the awesome work!!

[Liquid_Snake]

Thats where MGS3 hangs now:
After short lag picture is still frozen, but the sound continues

[xcedf]

refraction
man, your really rocks,:bow: i see you fixed this trash on screen, but i have question: this strange green in GoW 1 gone too?

[Dragonheart.by]

refraction, in-game became better too? Or it's only the starting menu?

[cottonvibes]

lets just wait till he releases the code in the latest beta to see whats fixed.

no use asking him a million questions when you can try it out yourself once its released :p

[refraction]

Might take a bit longer people, so dont expect it soon. Its gonna be a bigger pain in the neck than i originally anticipated.

[Quake3k]

Really greate job ref...bully also have normal speed now (after the fps counter) (PCSX2 368 GSDX 1.8 latest svn) and for the god of war damn thats some serious improvments:thumb:

[liberostelios]

Ref: is it just me or metal gear solid 3 crashes for you too when you head towards north in swamp land? It crashes here with DMA error.
I 've managed to compile SVN rev 368 and I can confirm this crash on MGS3. But, still, i haven't manage to compile GSDX 0.1.8 svn (but i don't think it's really important)...

EDIT: Just compiled GSdx9 svn, and still comes the same problem...

[intellect]

I'm testing Dragon Quest 8 and I have some good news :)

I was stuck in a certain location, but svn 368 fixed the problem (as you can see here: http://forums.ngemu.com/pcsx2-official-forum/97792-dragon-quest-viii-floating-statue-enemy-falling-through-floor-bug.html)

Now I can *finally* go on with my game... (I almost tough I had play 46 hours for nothing. ouch! :D)

And not only that, but now the enemies on the world map doenst fall trough the floor! (same bug as in MGS3).

Awesome job refraction/pcsx2 team!

I have only one thing to request: please put denormals as a hack... DQ8, for example, gains 10+ fps!

[playgo]

it looks like the emulator improve so much this year
thanks for your hard work :D
I hope it can play GOW and .hack//G.U soon

[PCXL-Fan]

Thats where MGS3 hangs now:
After short lag picture is still frozen, but the sound continues

Actually that moment is where for me at least the game has always hung. Even back in the 0.94 I would get the exact same DMA error and the same videofreezing but the sound still continuing. I posted about it in the screenshots thread back in December.


Bug encountered in the area with the first enemies freezes the game, yet the music and sound effects still play (DMA error:7504fd80)

I don't know if this is what ref meant by getting farther in the game though (aka past the swamp area), but it has always done that for me since gabest got his gs plugin more stable for mgs3 back many gsdx updates ago.

[hockland]

I eagerly await the next svn version :). If I could play Ghost Hunter without any sps would be excellent.

PCXL-Fan: That is the weirdest youtube video ever.

[Mkilbride2588]

SVN 364. You're god for releasing this, Persona 3 now runs at full FPS, pretty much all the time, places where I got 27FPS? I now get 57-59, 30? 60 perfectly.

I havn't tried 368 yet, I hear you removed it and will later add it as a Speed Hack, but I havn't been excited about PCSX2 in awhile, this SVN has given me massive speed boosts in the games I needed it it. Great job team.

[kikirikon]

I tried the last official svn 351. My machine is pretty weak (athlon 4000+, 1GB RAM, GF 7600 GS), but with speed hacks and VU skip enabled I reach full speeds in DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi 3 and Okami. The problem is that there is this blinking, I don't know if you guys have this one too, when enabling VU skip. While disabled - there is no blinking, but the speed drops alot. So this is a question, not a request. Is there any way to clear this blinking problem, or should we wait patiently for another svn build?

[Mkilbride2588]

SVN can't really fix that, it's a GSDX issue, and instead of blinking, in ZeroGS you get warped movement. Overall, that'll happen with VU skip. Unavoidable really, you're trying to make the game not play some Frames of the scene, so graphical corruption will occur. Try Inter-lacing though, you may get lucky(F5)

[kikirikon]

Thanks for the speedy reply :)

[RPGW1ZaRD]

The vuskip works better in recent SVNs, 362 and up I may add. Might even give some comparision vid sometimes if I'm not too lazy. It usually gives a 1/3 boost (33.33%, ie. 30 fps becomes 40 fps or 40 fps becomes 53 fps etc.) which you easily hear if listening to the rate of the music for example and it doesn't blink (maybe still for some games though) or get "stuttering" movement but that depends a bit on the game how nicely the movements look like due to how it's coded, some it looks just as good with it on, some you'll notice the movements although it gets a bit faster doesn't quite look as smooth (Tekken is a good example due to the nice and smooth movements feeling in this game).

[traptrapn]

Tekken Tag Tournament seems to have died in the latest SVN 368. Nothing after the intro video.

Thanks as always for the great efforts/work from the coders.

[kikirikon]

The vuskip works better in recent SVNs I may add. Might even give some comparision vid sometimes if I'm not too lazy. It usually gives a 1/3 boost (33.33%, ie. 30 fps becomes 40 fps or 40 fps becomes 53 fps etc.) which you easily hear if listening to the rate of the music for example and doesn't blink (maybe still for some games though) or get "stuttering" movement.
Yes, the speed boost with VU skip was impressive and that is why I wanted to ask if there was a way to stop the blinking. But from what you said I'll be waiting for the new svn build and try it out when it comes out.

[xcedf]

Actually that moment is where for me at least the game has always hung. Even back in the 0.94 I would get the exact same DMA error and the same videofreezing but the sound still continuing. I posted about it in the screenshots thread back in December.

MGS Freezes for me only if spedhacks enabled, disable speedhacks and game backs to normal:)

[RPGW1ZaRD]

I don't think that's due to speedhacks, I also had it freeze like that long before speedhacks were added, gonna give it another try though.

[xcedf]

don't know)) freeses started after 307 beta (in 307 there is no freezes, even if speedhack is ON) In later versions and in 368 freezes gone after i disabled EE/IOP Sync hack

[liberostelios]

I get freeze without speedhacks... Which plug-ins do you use?

[PCXL-Fan]

MGS Freezes for me only if spedhacks enabled, disable speedhacks and game backs to normal:)

Speed hacks aren't enabled. I know what ref wants. I would never post anything in any of the beta threads with any of the rama's hacks enabled. That totally ruins the purpose of these threads, and would cause ref to potentially waste time looking bugs that don't exist.

I'm just mentioning that that point in mgs has been reachable since 0.94 and gsdx after the post processing was removed from mgs3.

Sorry to pull this kinda off topic. This will be the last post I make in reply to Liquid snake.

[refraction]

Tekken Tag Tournament seems to have died in the latest SVN 368. Nothing after the intro video.

Thanks as always for the great efforts/work from the coders.

works fine here.

[xcedf]

Speed hacks aren't enabled. I know what ref wants. I would never post anything in any of the beta threads with any of the rama's hacks enabled. That totally ruins the purpose of these threads, and would cause ref to potentially waste time looking bugs that don't exist.

I'm just mentioning that that point in mgs has been reachable since 0.94 and gsdx after the post processing was removed from mgs3.

Sorry to pull this kinda off topic. This will be the last post I make in reply to Liquid snake.
by the way the EE/IOP Sync Hack gives me 10-20 fps boost in Shadow of Collossus on 368))):thumb:

I get freeze without speedhacks... Which plug-ins do you use?
I use GSDX 0.1.8 SSSE3 (757 SVN)
ZeroSPU 0.4.6 (last SVN)
and others:)

works fine here.
+1 absolutely :bow: no more that lines, and other trash, thanks ref

[Hatman]

Stupid question. Do some plugins have seperated SVNs or is, for instance, ZeroSPU 0.4.6 code included in the Pcsx2 checkout?

[refraction]

+1 absolutely :bow: no more that lines, and other trash, thanks ref

the lines are a gsdx problem, which is out of my control, the only thing i fixed was the stretchy crowd :P

xcedf: yes zerospu2 is on the pcsx2 svn

[TigerCourage]

hey, this is my first post here =3, just wanted to tell you guys (PCSX2 team) you're doing a great job and it will be nice if you guys fix the Budokai Tenkaichi 3 screen flicker, (yeah I know if push f5 and it won't flicker anymore but it will slow down the game...) thanks in advantage, I'll look forward to post more here =D

[BAXTER STOCKMAN]

Hello! Today i will do some testing with svn 351. The first game that i tested was teken 4 in windowed mode with speed hacks on and dual core mode, it runs at only 27 fps!!!:(:( Is it normal?

[bositman]

Dude,didn't you read no support in here? You already have 2 warnings so one more and you will be banned,so watch it.

[BAXTER STOCKMAN]

bositman: sorry i read it now!

Anyway back on topic, i tested RE CX with SVN 351 it runs 83 fps max on my machine! Great work, PCSX2 team!!:D

Edit: my machine infected by a very powerful virus today and it dosent let me to post any screenshots on forums! I will post some screens later when i get rid of this virus...:)

[xcedf]

By the way, maybe MGS3 not playable, but Snake vs Monkey mode is fully playable now
very funny ^_^

[3x3cUt0r]

hey, this is my first post here =3, just wanted to tell you guys (PCSX2 team) you're doing a great job and it will be nice if you guys fix the Budokai Tenkaichi 3 screen flicker, (yeah I know if push f5 and it won't flicker anymore but it will slow down the game...) thanks in advantage, I'll look forward to post more here =D

I know this is your 1st post but please next time read the rules before posting, you can't make requests on this thread (or any other) and we have a thank you thread. Enjoy the forums

[Liquid_Snake]

I know this is your 1st post but please next time read the rules before posting, you can't make requests on this thread (or any other) and we have a thank you thread. Enjoy the forums

It's a blackmail. If u guys dare to fix Budokai I WILL POST more!

BTW Tested Contra and Takken 4 on rev368. Contra runs perfectly and almost fullspeed, Tekken 4 - great speed improvement, both almost like +10% perfomance.

[traptrapn]

works fine here.
Sorry, I had SPU2null enabled..

My mistake

THanks

[Ramadear]

SVN 364. You're god for releasing this, Persona 3 now runs at full FPS, pretty much all the time, places where I got 27FPS? I now get 57-59, 30? 60 perfectly.

I havn't tried 368 yet, I hear you removed it and will later add it as a Speed Hack, but I havn't been excited about PCSX2 in awhile, this SVN has given me massive speed boosts in the games I needed it it. Great job team.

Seriously? If it increases Persona 3 fps like that, someone enlighten me on how to compile my own svn. lol

[Anto92]

mhhh...it's strange...with the 0.9.4, mgs3 (snake eater) boot fine but from 351 to 368 it doesn't work anymore...though mg3 subsistence works fine...

it exactly crash when pcsx2 read the sector n831... i backup the dvd with nero...and also make a defrag...
and that's all

it's just a log

[Core0]

Just compiled and checked-the garbage problem in the Barheim passage in FFXII remains the same in 368/369.
Also, so to comment, after trying out the build with that denormal hack with Persona 3, I must say it's pretty amazing, full speed all the time, I very much hope it makes it to the speed hacks selection box. :)

[rama2]

Well, ref tackled DIV/SQRT/RSQRT now. If he manages to get rid of the bugs in those
many SPS, collision detection, crash and whatnot problems should be gone.
I dunno, maybe those bugs also prevented the svn 364 speedup from working 100% ;)

[xcedf]

Ref, huge thanks fo the 369, this is amazing Shadow of the Colossus is now playable, animations working fine, and no more sps on character:bow::thumb:

[cottonvibes]

Ref, huge thanks fo the 369, this is amazing Shadow of the Colossus is now playable, animations working fine, and no more sps on character:bow::thumb:

SOTC is now playable?

you can get pass the bug in the first boss?

edit:

i tested SOTC, graphics looking alot better, still some glitches though.
didn't get up to the first boss, so not sure if the no-grip thing is still a problem.

[xcedf]

SOTC is now playable?

you can get pass the bug in the first boss?

edit:

i tested SOTC, graphics looking alot better, still some glitches though.
didn't get up to the first boss, so not sure if the no-grip thing is still a problem.

Don't know your problem but now i can strike the leg and climb it)),
no more SPS on main character:)
The only bug i want admit is the bloom (the game is too bloomed)

[Mkilbride2588]

That may not be a bug, I sold the game myself, but when I played it on my PS2, I remember everything being incredibly bright. Isn't it like that on your PS2?

I think I read somewhere it uses bloom to hide it's hideous textures.

[hockland]

Did a quick test of Ghost Hunter and GoW on svn369 and no change, but I`m sure thats to come in alittle while.

[lightchris]

The only bug i want admit is the bloom (the game is too bloomed)

For me the amount of bloom reduces when running in higher internal resolutions (in GSdx). Still, obviously there's something incorrect, probably a GSdx problem.

I think I read somewhere it uses bloom to hide it's hideous textures.

No, it's a stylistic choice of the developers. Btw. the game doesn't only use simple bloom but also offers eye adaptation.


Anyway, up until now I always waited for beta versions to be released on the main page. But I think it's time for me to look into how I can compile the SVNs myself.

[toyopsp]

OMG! Confirmed that SOTC is indeed playable now with svn 369, I've just defeated the first boss! awesome:)

[TigerCourage]

Anyway I'll go ontopic :p, I'm using svn 368 with gsdx 1.7 SSE3 with DX10 and I'm getting 47 - 50 fps in Budokai 3 only when I play normal duel, in dragon universe duel I'm getting 35 - 38 fps in duel mode and 40 - 43 fps in free flight...
Naruto Ultimate Ninja 3 is running great (can't use the megapad plugin in it though...) 55 - 60 fps ingame =]

Screenies:

Budokai 3: http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8140/dragonballzbudokai3or4.jpg
Naruto Ultimate Ninja 3: http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3284/narutoultimateninja3kn3.jpg

is this bettah 3x3cUt0r? =O =3

EDIT: Mortal Kombat Armagedon running slow in battle -_-... 30 fps max... and I updated to svn 369 and no difference in all the games.. guess I'll have to w8 more :p

[Lord of War]

I'm going to try Tales of the Abyss with the latest SVN. :D

[bositman]

Thanks for informing us,but this is totally useless,so only post your results here ok?

[Dragonheart.by]

Tried Shadow of the colossus with rev 369. Compiled it with denormals are zero enabled and disabled. Works great in both cases, finished first colossus without problems. Then tried it with hacks (first two) - no probs too. Played with VUskip - seems to give some fps boost without any flickering.

[cokbun]

xyanide resurection goes to gameplay now. Save state tends to crash the game.

[gamersat678]

Gadget Racers stops displaying on "cop2 BC2T called". This is right before the intro movie is played. SVN version 327 and up do this.

[thecodec]

In the last svn (369) the light is broken. (second image)


Sorry for my english :_

[wybielacz]

Pcsx2 don't crash anymore while running Fight Night round 3 with SVN 369! :)

[DDRRE]

Ladies and gentlemen, WE HAVE A NEW RECORD!

TEKKEN 5

(latest SVN VU skip + EE/IOP hack, latest Gsdx svn dx10 native, Peops spu2)

50FPS!!! in Tekken 5
Story mode, Heihachi vs. Kazuya battle has the least demanding backdrop!
http://img30.picoodle.com/img/img30/4/5/18/f_50fpsm_59028e0.png <---- VU Skip (the new one from recent SVNs makes VU skip playable!)
ALSO, Devil Within mod is now playable, without frame skipping at a constant 60fps, but when there are a lot of enemies fps drops to 50.
http://img27.picoodle.com/img/img27/4/5/18/f_devwitm_a089e97.png <---- Limit

[3x3cUt0r]

You can change the Internal res to eliminate the black lines.

[DDRRE]

You can change the Internal res to eliminate the black lines.
For the 100,000,000th time
Tekken 5 doesn't work with anything else than native res with DX10.
But it worked just as fluently with 1270x1270 on DX9, without the lines.

[serpent]

some results in svn 365

Final Fantasy X = all the time 60 fps (limited)

Disgaea 2 = same as Final Fantasy X

Persona 3 = allmost all the time 60 fps, but in the classrooms it drops to 48-55 fps
and battles are 50-60(havent tried it so much yet)

Grandia 3 = umm i have just tried it for some minutes but inside houses and so on the fps is like 60 and in the village its 45-60 fps about..in battles i dont know(i havent come so far:D )

Tales of the Abyss = the grafics dosent work correctly.. in battles characters missing and when your walking some people are not shown at all. but the fps is usually between
35-60 fps.. battles are allways 55-60 fps.( i hope the grafics are fixed so i can test it more)

Plugins
Final Fantasy X.
Zerogs 0.9.7.1
Zerospu 0.4.4

Disgaea 2.
GSdx 0.1.8.SSE3
peops spu2 1.9.0

Persona 3
same as in ffx

Grandia 3.
same as FFx

Tales of the Abyss
Same as FFx

I will test soon :

Final Fantasy 12
Star Ocean Till the end of time( 3 )
Shin megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga 1
and maybe if i have the interest so Chaos Legion

[cottonvibes]

For the 100,000,000th time
Tekken 5 doesn't work with anything else than native res with DX10.
But it worked just as fluently with 1270x1270 on DX9, without the lines.

then why do you use DX10?


use DX9 with 1270x1270 to take your pics so people don't think that the emulator has problems running it.

[Dragonheart.by]

Didn't test ingame/nothing games for a long time :) . Tried two of them now, with PCSX2 SVN 369 and GSdx SVN 759.
Black. Still shows nothing. Only Black screen, just like the name of the game says :D . But FPS is really high! :D
Call Of Duty 3. Still shows only the first screen where we have to press X (but nothing happens anyway). The game doesn't freeze, the button flashes but no reaction on pressing it. BTW enabling Denormals are zero breaks even this one screen :D
PS. Tested also FFXII SLUS_209.63. FMVs are fine :) . Works fine with denormals on and off.

then why do you use DX10?


use DX9 with 1270x1270 to take your pics so people don't think that the emulator has problems running it.

Maybe DX10 gives better framerate :rolleyes: ;)

[Godwin]

In SVN 369, The sky in Suikoden 3 still suffers from sps, same with their shadows. But it seems a tiny bit better than before, but still really noticeable. :p

[NINJAMGS]

Hi, i have testing Kingdom Hearts 1, and have one problem, Sora stay blinking sometimes and the scenario too.
I have to disable the speedhacks to pass when sora fights with your shadow in beginning.
The bug reporter will help to locate in source this problems?, if yes, i'l try to use...
Use 368 version and 369...

[refraction]

Hi, i have testing Kingdom Hearts 1, and have one problem, Sora stay blinking sometimes and the scenario too.
I have to disable the speedhacks to pass when sora fights with your shadow in beginning.
The bug reporter will help to locate in source this problems?, if yes, i'l try to use...
Use 368 version and 369...

the problem is you are using speed hacks, if you bothered to read the sentense at the top of the speedhacks options it says "this will cause instability". They arent meant to work ok all the time, if they cause problems, turn them off and leave them off.

[manco81]

Hi, I have tested nba 2k8 with 369 and, at difference of previous version, now are present graphical error (instead of players there are square and crazy figure). The people around the court there isn't, there is only the public of the palace. With gsdx dx10 there isn't also the public of the palace. HELLP!!!! Excuse for my english!!!

[bositman]

Don't use 369.Problem solved.If you request help again in this thread you will be banned

[Clord]

Tested Dynasty Warriors 5 - Empires with PCSX SVN 369 and now terrain is drawn perfectly and game runs slighty smoother in situations where there is a lot enemies on screen.

[serpent]

have anybody tested digital devil saga 1 or 2 with svn 364-369 ? i am sorry if its forbidden to ask but i didint find the answear anywhere.

[refraction]

have anybody tested digital devil saga 1 or 2 with svn 364-369 ? i am sorry if its forbidden to ask but i didint find the answear anywhere.

if they try it, they will either say in here or post in the screenshots thread. If they dont, assume not.

[hockland]

have anybody tested digital devil saga 1 or 2 with svn 364-369 ? i am sorry if its forbidden to ask but i didint find the answear anywhere.

Why not test the game yourself? I seriously dont understand why people make posts like this. It takes you less time to go and test the game out yourself and finding out how the game works in the svn, than posting for someone else to tell you what the results of their testing was.

And yay 400 posts :p.

[refraction]

Why not test the game yourself? I seriously dont understand why people make posts like this. It takes you less time to go and test the game out yourself and finding out how the game works in the svn, than posting for someone else to tell you what the results of their testing was.

And yay 400 posts :p.

my guess would be he doesnt know how to compile.

[NINJAMGS]

"the problem is you are using speed hacks, if you bothered to read the sentense at the top of the speedhacks options it says "this will cause instability". They arent meant to work ok all the time, if they cause problems, turn them off and leave them off."
Refraction, sorry, i play with and without speedhacks.
with speedhacks crash the game, without you can pass, but has the blinking problem too without the speedhacks.

[RPGW1ZaRD]

Just wanna report the issue in FFX at Macalania Forest where characters would twinkle or show some graphic corruption (check here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd97_ew6H5U)) is fixed as of svn 368. :)

And as previously reported Shadows of the Colossus appears to be playable now too in latest svn with fixed character SPS.

Great stuff, keep up the great work. :)

[manco81]

Don't use 369.Problem solved.If you request help again in this thread you will be banned

I want only to help you with information on some games testing. Sorry.

[toyopsp]

digital devil saga 1 is not playable yet on the latest svn 369, it hangs randomly and the screen flickers but can be resolved by changing interlace mode, i've tried all cdvd plugins and it still hangs at random spots, no speedhacks enabled, with and without denormals. intro fmvs and cutscenes work though.

and i would like to report that Maximo Ghost to Glory is better than ps2 perfect now, mainly because of the hires textures:)

Also, in shadow of the colossus, when ingame the screen will get very bright then suddenly everything will fade to black in a second then return to normal then repeat. It's kinda distracting especially when fighting those gigantic bosses. Maybe savestates are causing it.

Bully runs fast now, and actually displays the correct fps. Im getting 40-50fps outside the school and mostly 60fps indoors with int res bumped upto 1280x1024, nice:)

edit: SOTC over bright screen caused by native int res, set it to 1024x1024 or higher, solved! 2nd boss defeated! i believe this game is fully playable now, excellent work ref, thanks

[hockland]

Is that flickering occuring with or without VU skip on?

Cause that sounds alot like VU skip. Specially since the interlace mode change fixed it.

[serpent]

-Why not test the game yourself? I seriously dont understand why people make posts like this. It takes you less time to go and test the game out yourself and finding out how the game works in the svn, than posting for someone else to tell you what the results of their testing was.-

becouse i dont have the game.. but i was thinking i gona buy it from my friend..and when my ps2 is almost at the end of its life,so i just wondered if it works or not on pcsx2 :)

-my guess would be he doesnt know how to compile.-
ture.. i cant compile.. but i do have the svn 364 and 365 version

[toyopsp]

Is that flickering occuring with or without VU skip on?

Cause that sounds alot like VU skip. Specially since the interlace mode
change fixed it.

VU skip off, i only use VU skip in tekken series:thumb:

[RPGW1ZaRD]

By flickering I guess you mean the up and down jumping screen effect which is common for GSdx, some people interpret "flickering" as twinkling screen with black frames between or something I guess. Just thought I'd mention.

[toyopsp]

i guess im one of those people, yes the "flickering" is indeed those twinkling black frames and it makes me kinda dizzy:) DDS 1 is not playable yet anyway, and i dont really like it, just tried it out and reporting.

[intellect]

Reporting about Dragon Quest VIII: the game is full playable with 0.9.5 svn 368!

Black Cidadel bug is gone. I've beaten the game just 2 days ago. The only remaining problem is the "false fps": the game display 60 fps (or more) but the real fps is like 20, or 30. But its a rare bug, and not a critical one.

Besides that, the game run most of the time on full speed (55 ~ 60 fps).

But it would be nice if we can choose denormals as a hack... it gives a huge speed boost to DQ8 with no side effect :)

[Mkilbride2588]

Digital Devil Saga 1 is playable. It's just really slow, even on a fast system, probably due to emulation issues.

[drgw]

i tried some ssx games i have, they all work except for the first one, all menus / movies run at full speed

ssx (ingame): i gave this game just a couple of minutes, found out that it doesnt go over the intro without ee/iop hack, hangs shortly after getting ingame, until then fps seemed to be very nice

ssx tricky (playable): the only one with playable status, though it appears to hang in the middle of tracks sometimes, speed hacks give a boost to fps and dont lower stability (this counts for the rest too), fps 40-50

ssx 3 (ingame): highly playable, but hangs a lot usually within 5-30 minutes, fps goes down below 5 when there are all players on the screen during a race, fps 30-50

ssx on tour (ingame): suffers from random fps drops and hangs within 2 minutes, fps 30-50

[serpent]

and how about DDS2 ? thanks allready :) i played DDS 1 with my ps2.. but it is so finito that i just play with pcsx2 allmost all the games now :D if anybody has any info about Digital devil saga 2, then i am very thankful. :)

[pyllin]

Already said, but Gran Turismo 4 is still darker in svn 369. Oh! In this last svn's it has speeded up about 10-15 fps! Now the tracks that don't crash are playable at real speeds :)

Thanks for your efforts, keep going :)

[Ksero]

Finally,the bug that didn't let me continue playing Shin Megami Tensei Devil Summoner has disappeared with svn 370

[ken07]

FFVII Dirge of Cerberus now can past the stuck at the ladder bug, doesnt test much further though

[xcedf]

Bully runs really great with 369 compiled with denormals are zero, SOTC: 4 bosses are defeated)) good job ref:thumb::bow:
***can't for wait god of war:wub:***
sorry if offtop

[refraction]

Bully runs really great with 369 compiled with denormals are zero, SOTC: 4 bosses are defeated)) good job ref:thumb::bow:
***can't for wait god of war:wub:***
sorry if offtop

GoW might be a bit longer than i expected, i got that to work by killing everything :p

until i find out the cause, itll remain broken for some time. Sorry for the false hope.

[DDRRE]

New record!!!!

Tekken 5:
svn 372, NON VM, reaches 67fps (It gets limited afterwards to 60fps of course) in the Final Stage 2 arena. Whenever there are punching effects, fps drops to.....

50 FPS!!!!!!

a few notes:
I was using the "custom VU-SKIP" code, raises FPS by 10-20 without looking too choppy.

res: 1680x1440, dx9
Until now I've been using the VM version, but it seems the non-VM version is actually faster here!

[gamersat678]

Dang Ref your pumpin out revisions like crazy. Already svn373!!!:) Indeed, gabest is on fire.:lol:

[cottonvibes]

yeah this is awsome.

not only is ref working like a beast on PCSX2, but now gabest is helping out!!?

lol this is awsome.

i have a feeling that if this keeps up, we're going to see some major improvements real soon. :bow:

*goes to compile latest sourcecode*

[DDRRE]

meh...
so far so good.


(tekken5 - thanks cottonvibes)

except from speed issues, only plugin-related bugs plague the perfect emulation of this game:

(crowd not appearing in Urban Jungle arena - might be emu or might be plugin bug)

Gsdx:
1. glow effect in some arenas is incorrectly implemented, appears as garbage on screen (ok in ZeroGS)
2. Vertical stripes appear on the screen, they can also be seen in the Burning temple arena even if the resolution is set to 1270x1270 (ok in ZeroGS)
3. Weird (Z-buffer maybe?) errors: some models "bend" when idle or in cutscenes. (ok in ZeroGS)

ZeroGS:
Emulates the game perfectly, except for the loading mini-game. But pretty damn slow!

[cottonvibes]

DDRRE, you didn't even mention the game you're talking about.

and "Vertical stripes" can usually be fixed by using native resolution.
its most-likely not a real bug.


if ZeroGS emulates the game perfectly, then it looks like all errors are just GSdx errors, and this should be posted in the GSdx thread since it has nothing to do with the PCSX2 svn.

[DDRRE]

It seems the only errors the emu does are not rendering the crowd at the Urban Jungle arena....

The arcade history mode doesn't work perfectly, and that's clearly an emu problem, but no one plays that anyway :D

p.s. I'm talking about tekken 5, and I fixed the above comment. I've been playing it on pcsx2 all day long :X (much more fun than the ps2... its amazing how many detail is available that just wasn't used in the original ps2 res)

regarding the vertical stripes: they appear only in gsdx, in any resolution (including native) except 1270x1270 or other wacky combinations, that make them "disappear to the naked eye", because they reappear when post-processing effects occur, which process the entire screen and clearly shows the stripes were there all along.

[cottonvibes]

i'd like to report that God Of War is now looking a whole lot better.

i managed to take a nice shot in-game.


most of the time you just see a "green screen", but if you move around, you're able to see the characters.

[liberostelios]

SVN 373: No real fix for MGS 3. Still freeze on the same place. But, i think there was a cinematic at this point of the game...