oh, btw, I read the avault-reviews (they reviewed both the dual power (force feedback) and the dual analog (no force feedback)....and uh...I don't agree with them...they must have small hands >
secondly, they think the software of the non-forcefeedback version is pretty good...I hated it
I preferred the latest driver versions from the thrustmaster site (avault didnt like ém)...both pads work very well now here....