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Originally Posted by Slash558

I'm not jumping off any cliff:|

Those videos are disgusting, absolutely NO doubt about that. However, the actions of some don't reflect everyone else. Many others in the military are actually doing their job: helping others. Whether by giving them supplies, or simply talking to them. You can't say 100% of them are bad for the actions of maybe 10% (not accurate figures, just representation).

Consider that the Iraqis and other nations do not want the US troop to stay in Iraq, I doubt the current troop is really doing much or any help there.

Originally Posted by Slash558

Now, the only reason I support us staying is simple: look at Vietnam. Our morale w If we pull out now, all our gains will be for nothing and those 4,000+ who died will have died for absolutely NO reason. And chances are, things will fall apart and the terrorists will take over and then attack us...AGAIN.

Do we need morale or moral?
I thought the code of America is freedom; why are we there to compel the Iraqis into American ideal.
If you say we are freeing them from Saddam Hussein, then fine, he is gone now, and the US troop can withdraw.
and who is attacking us? the incidence of 911? there is no exact proof of the cause and source of cause.
How do you know that the terrorists are in Iraq.
Bush says there are some massive destructive weapons in Iraq, but what have we found there? Nothing.
Take the Iraq war for example, did you see the weapons the Iraqis have? they are SOOOO outdated consider this is a modern war.
Even if the terrorists were in Iraq (if), they surely are gone now consider how long after this is after the Iraq war, and they surely have more than 1 base.

Some records show that the terrorists have changed the currency into diamonds, and where are the diamonds? Africa.
So now, US starts to investigate Africa. Then they 'suddenly' discover the civil wars in African nations (those have been going on for decade).
Then the news start to report them as the US government actually care about the people in Africa. Honestly, how much donations do the Africans receive from the fonds gathered by the US public?
The next step in this? Is US gonna declare war against Sierra Leone?

Originally Posted by Slash558

And notice on the news, it's always bad? There is a lot of good stuff going on. I remember reading in a paper that an Iraqi civilian said that Iraq is still violent, but they are more free than they were under Saddam. Us going away and letting the radicals take over is surely going to undo that, no?

Then why getting involved in the first place if there is no solution?
What exactly can the US do to make Iraq at peace?
The Iraqis do not want US government system, and the US has absolutely no right to force another nation to have the same government system.
Does it mean that US needs to be there forever? or move the entire White house there?
The US economy itself is encountering a crisis, the debt is piling up everyday, and the price of goods are rising everyday.
So the true solution is to kill off the radicals and then leave?
What is this? world domination? all objections must be eliminated?

Originally Posted by Slash558

You can continue to preach the media's propaganda of us pulling out, but the families of those who died will NOT take their loved ones dieing for no reason very well. Just put yourself in their place and I think you'll understand.

What exactly does the US gain from waring all these nations anyway, every since the Korean war, the Vietnam war, and now the Iraq war?
Will those 4000+ soldiers really die for a purpose?
There is no purpose to begin with, so why search for a purpose after they are dead?
Not to be cruel, but these soldiers are already dead; there is no way to bring them back to life.
Stay there and search for a purpose to justify their deaths will only cause more Americans and Iraqis to die for no reason.

Sorry for the long post; I'm not directing towards you, but towards the position of keeping the troop there overall.
Plus, this is my personal opinion.