[hushypushy]

Originally Posted by refraction

I live in england too which isnt exactly the warmest country in the world.

Well I live in San Francisco where it's pretty much in the 60's all the time (~15C?) which is nice The only person I know with a dead 360 had the FIRST one made--the one with the silver instead of grey trim. In that case, I expected it to die. I expect all first gen consoles to die, actually, except for my Dreamcast (August 99 manufactured, still working to this day!).

Still though, I wish we could know what's going on per country...especially the US, because we have the most 360's.

Originally Posted by MetalMurphy

And hushy, everything i say about the 360 isn't an opinion, they're facts.

Ok, then I ask two simple things that I know you can do:

1. If it sounds perhaps a little too wild to be true ("they are still manufacturing defective units") then provide evidence. A news report? You might be right, but without citations, what you say is meaningless (like Wikipedia).
2. Stop saying it in such a biased way. If I were the only one saying this to you, then probably by this point of the conversation I'd retract my point. But notice how other people feel the same way I do..? As much as you vehemently try to deny it, the truth remains. Read your own posts, you are quite biased.

Oh and "the man" was a PR from Microsoft hushy. I hardly doubt he would be lying about they're own defective rate when the number is so high. They lied when they said it was 3%, i doubt they're doing it when they said it was around 25%.

You distrust everything MS says and paint everything that they do in such a negative way...but yet all of the sudden you put all your faith in them? Are you trying to prove a point to me, or is that what you really believe?

Well, since you're the one making these statements, I'd like to see some proof. I want to see an article where they discuss how many 360's have failed. I googled it, and all I can see is independent retailer guesses about it--MS hasn't issued an official figure, as far as I can tell, since they said it was 3-5% earlier this year. The only hint about the higher percentage that MS gave is that they "reserved US$ 1.15 Billion for fixing malfunctioning consoles, enough money to fix 2.5 million consoles." Out of 11.6 million sold, that would make a 22% allocation. Far from that 30-33%---that would be an extra 10 million consoles (3.5mil). So what's the deal? Let's see some real facts to back up your....well...facts. Like I said---I am goddamn sick of speculation. Throw all the facts you want, but stop with the bull****.


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Also! My statement was not solely aimed at you...I hope you didn't take it that way. I already warned runawayprisoner in this thread, and I was also speaking about when people phrase things like this:

They both are lame azz consoles with lame azz games that are also on PC, so what's the big difference?

And on a related side note...what's your deal with not paying for Live, MetalMurphy? Like I tried to point out earlier (in a sarcastic way) was that it's only $4 a month. I think it's fairly interesting how you (and many others) point out a lack of games...yet you refuse to pay less than the cost of one game for an entire year of online play. The reason that this is even MORE ridiculous to me is that it seems like this is one of your major reservations about the 360. It's understandable if you don't want to get a 360 because of the high failure rate...but you seem to mention that and Xbox Live in the same sentence when you're talking about why you don't want it. You want online play so bad...but you're acting like Scrooge about it (stingy).

That relates to the other thing I hate about the console war: fighting about games. I have spent as much money as possible on my 360 and Wii (no foolies) to get as many games as possible and I STILL have a big list of games I want to get. For this reason, I just can't believe that people somehow find a lack of games on any of the new systems (and if you really have a lack of games, then you should really be buying all the consoles to play it all). Most of all, I find it really hard to believe that the same people who would spend $600+ on games ("what are there, like, 10 good games on 360 and that's it?") are reluctant to spend $4 per month for online.


PS. I don't have Live Gold. Why? I don't really like playing online

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